02 May 10
Originally posted by whodeyDoes anything he says do anything more than verify the existence of Christians and their beliefs? If not, then What relevance does he have to a discussion on the historicity of Jesus? Surely his writings are contemporary or after Paul's writings?
He wrote, "The Antiquities of the Jews", in the late first century. One passage, known as the Testimonium Flavianium, discusses the career of Jesus.
02 May 10
Originally posted by whodeyYou've misunderstood me. I accept there was a historical figure called Jesus, but i don't accept he was the son of God, God or anything else. He was nothing more than a mere mortal, just like you and me. What i was objecting to was your claim that those people who don't believe that Jesus existed are somehow in the same league as holocaust deniers, for the reasons i have detailed above.
Thats right, in fact, there is a memorial to the Holocaust survivors on pretty much every street corner......or is that a church on every street corner? 😛
Just out of curiosity, do you believe that Mohammad existed? How about Buddah? How about Moses?
Mohammed gets a yes.
Buddha gets a yes.
Moses gets a maybe.
02 May 10
Originally posted by jaywillI wasn't recommending the book to you, merely pointing out that your assertion that my statement, which you claimed as 'presumptuous babble', is a view shared by esteemed religious scholars such as E P Sanders. Who, if you didn't check is a Doctor of Letters and a Doctor of Theology and a professor of Religious Studies.
And I recommend to you Bock's [b]"Dethroning Jesus - Pop Cultures Quest to Unseat the Biblical Christ"[/b]
02 May 10
Originally posted by twhiteheadI am simply laying out the evidence that a man named Jesus existed and that he had a following. Of course, the only evidence we have is any recorded history written down about him.
Does anything he says do anything more than verify the existence of Christians and their beliefs? If not, then What relevance does he have to a discussion on the historicity of Jesus? Surely his writings are contemporary or after Paul's writings?
02 May 10
Originally posted by twhiteheadActually, I think it would be nice for a change that those who deliberatly mislead the masses be held accountable. In fact, it would be great if our political leaders had to pay a fine every time they smiled into the camera and lied to us. If so, perhaps the $13 trillion debt would have been wiped out by now.
Why should they pay? I thought you were american and thus valued free speech.
Of course, they would be "free" to continue to lie. 😉
03 May 10
Originally posted by twhiteheadIf you follow whodey's posting style on Debates, he often distances himself from misrepresentations or silliness clearly laid out in his OPs but almost invariably tries to pass it off as people not understanding him correctly.
Then you seriously mislead us in your first post. You said: [b][blah blah] Clearly not the same meaning as what you are now saying. [...] But that is not what you said in your first post. Not even close.[/b]
03 May 10
Originally posted by FMFWhat misrepresentations?
If you follow whodey's posting style on Debates, he often distances himself from misrepresentations or silliness clearly laid out in his OPs but almost invariably tries to pass it off as people not understanding him correctly.
03 May 10
Originally posted by whodeyBut even those who dispute the existence of Jesus accept the existence of Christians (there everywhere). They even accept the existence of early Christians and most would accept the existence of Paul, his writings and the approximate date of those writings.
I am simply laying out the evidence that a man named Jesus existed and that he had a following. Of course, the only evidence we have is any recorded history written down about him.
Josephus does not provide any evidence whatsoever that a man named Jesus actually existed. Certainly not more evidence that is already undisputed. So why present him as evidence? I know it sounds cool to say 'Historian' and 'non-Christian', but it doesn't actually support your case.
03 May 10
Originally posted by whodeyPolitical leaders are a different case. They are violating their terms and conditions of employment when they lie. The people who perpetrate Noah hoaxes are responsible to their employers but not to you.
Actually, I think it would be nice for a change that those who deliberatly mislead the masses be held accountable. In fact, it would be great if our political leaders had to pay a fine every time they smiled into the camera and lied to us. If so, perhaps the $13 trillion debt would have been wiped out by now.
Of course, they would be "free" to continue to lie. 😉
If we started suing all liars lawyers would have a field day and the rest of us would be bankrupt.
04 May 10
My problem with this video is how do we know it is truly on Mt. Arat? I would think an undertaking like that should be fully documented. If indeed it is on Mt. Arat then what is the wood and how old? I read and heard stories of people finding the Ark but all are not conclusive. If they find a big boat up there with conclusive evidence I'd believe it. I understand that Josephus and other ancient accounts just assumed that the Ark was there on a Mountain somewhere. Supposedly it has been seen in ancient times and in more modern times.
Manny