What do you think?
There are a lot but here is one that sticks in my craw:
Original Sin. Now there is a nice lovely concept only a true forgiving god would have invented, eh.
Hey Kid, I am your father, yea do I verily say unto you, thou art vile from thy very birth. Thou must accept the lord jesus christ as your personal savior or thou be damned to burn in hell forever and ever.
Ever burn your finger? Verily, hell is like that but all over your body for ever and ever. So do you accept christ as your personal savior? Say now or forever be damned.
I think of that as vile, a little kid, say, 6 yo, his dad is his personal god already. So now he finds out he is already evil. So millions of little impressionable kids get that rot at a very young age and no wonder they fall into the trap of christianity.
Originally posted by sonhousePersonally, I think it takes away independant thought, and the need to take responsibility for your own actions, without the devil or some other boogyman to blame.
What do you think?
There are a lot but here is one that sticks in my craw:
Original Sin. Now there is a nice lovely concept only a true forgiving god would have invented, eh.
Hey Kid, I am your father, yea do I verily say unto you, thou art vile from thy very birth. Thou must accept the lord jesus christ as your personal savior or thou be damned to bur ...[text shortened]... ble kids get that rot at a very young age and no wonder they fall into the trap of christianity.
Live in the real world people - the truth will set you free.
Originally posted by sonhouseNot sure if this counts but the concept that if someone is Christian then you should support him even when his actions are clearly not Christian. This is taken advantage of by politicians and church leaders alike. Not unique to Christianity but vile all the same.
What do you think?
There are a lot but here is one that sticks in my craw:
Original Sin. Now there is a nice lovely concept only a true forgiving god would have invented, eh.
Hey Kid, I am your father, yea do I verily say unto you, thou art vile from thy very birth. Thou must accept the lord jesus christ as your personal savior or thou be damned to bur ...[text shortened]... ble kids get that rot at a very young age and no wonder they fall into the trap of christianity.
Originally posted by twhiteheadi'm not too sure where, but there is a verse in the bible about never giving recomendation to a guilty person.
Not sure if this counts but the concept that if someone is Christian then you should support him even when his actions are clearly not Christian. This is taken advantage of by politicians and church leaders alike. Not unique to Christianity but vile all the same.
i don't suggest anyone try this, but if you were to walk up to most Christians and repeatedly puch them in the head then they more than likely going to punch you back. this is not acceptable Christianity behaviour, yet that Christian is one i wouldn't hesitate to help.
Originally posted by KaboooombaYou are twisting what he just said. He was not talking about someone
i'm not too sure where, but there is a verse in the bible about never giving recomendation to a guilty person.
i don't suggest anyone try this, but if you were to walk up to most Christians and repeatedly puch ...[text shortened]... not acceptable Christianity behaviour, yet that Christian is one i wouldn't hesitate to help.
coming up and bashing a christian, he was talking about a christian doing a vile act and other christians thinking its ok because the end justifies the means, since by definition, christianity is the only true religion, if he is killing people to convert some of them to that true faith then more power to him. THATS what he is considering vile and I couldn't agree more.
Originally posted by sonhousei answered that in my first sentence.
You are twisting what he just said. He was not talking about someone
coming up and bashing a christian, he was talking about a christian doing a vile act and other christians thinking its ok because the end justifies the means, since by definition, christianity is the only true religion, if he is killing people to convert some of them to that true faith then more power to him. THATS what he is considering vile and I couldn't agree more.
my second paragraph was a similar situation which could be confused with the first.
Originally posted by KaboooombaSome examples of what I was talking about:
i'm not too sure where, but there is a verse in the bible about never giving recomendation to a guilty person.
i don't suggest anyone try this, but if you were to walk up to most Christians and repeatedly puch ...[text shortened]... not acceptable Christianity behaviour, yet that Christian is one i wouldn't hesitate to help.
The former president in my country Zambia, claimed to be a born again Christian. He spent much of his time visiting Churches and giving them money in exchange for thier support (outright bribery). Many chrisitians in the country supported him (and voted for him) solely on the basis that he was Christian and overlooked the fact that he never once to my knowledge acted in a Christian way.
I believe that George Bush gets simmilar support.
I know a number of people who will believe anything thier pastor tells them because "he's a man of God"
Although not in the same category of what I was talking about is the crimes that Catholic priests have been known to get away with.
Originally posted by twhiteheadThese are good examples you have brought up.
Some examples of what I was talking about:
The former president in my country Zambia, claimed to be a born again Christian. He spent much of his time visiting Churches and giving them money in exchange for thier support (outright bribery). Many chrisitians in the country supported him (and voted for him) solely on the basis that he was Christian and over hat I was talking about is the crimes that Catholic priests have been known to get away with.
None of those people are Jesus and like everyone they also make mistakes in life. if they do believe in Jesus and realise the mistakes they have/do make then they will care about fixing what was/is wrong. sometimes this ain't just a simple decision. sometimes hateful people see this and the unGodly actions they take keep them in a trap... the problems keep their existance.
Originally posted by sonhouseYou're taking a minority position in Christianity and then tarring all of Christianity with it.
Hey Kid, I am your father, yea do I verily say unto you, thou art vile from thy very birth. Thou must accept the lord jesus christ as your personal savior or thou be damned to burn in hell forever and ever.
Originally posted by lucifershammerI meant sonhouse might live in a state where most Christians were pretty fundamentalist about things. It's possible, you know. Something's got him pretty riled up about it, anyhow.
1.6bn Christians worldwide. I'm willing to bet sonhouse doesn't live in a region where 800mn of them live.
How'd they come up with that 1.6bn, anyhow?
Originally posted by Bosse de NageRoughly:
I meant sonhouse might live in a state where most Christians were pretty fundamentalist about things. It's possible, you know. Something's got him pretty riled up about it, anyhow.
How'd they come up with that 1.6bn, anyhow?
1bn Catholics + 300mn Orthodox + 300mn Protestants