Originally posted by FabianFnasOf course you do.
Rajk, this posting of yours I like very much! And I agree in the spirit very much. You get a thumb up for this one!
There are people who thinks that it's enough to confess to the christian faith, and then he will have heaven for free, regardless of his deeds or absence of them.
And I think that an atheist with a good hart and good deeds will enter the pearly gates.
...well, besides my beliefs that heaven and hell does not exist.
He lies to you only to score some forum points. He may even believe it.
I don't know which one is more pathetic.
Originally posted by AThousandYoungNot one that you NOR his many other detractors here will recognize, anyway.
You will NEVER get a straight answer out of KJ.
He's answered straight up at least twice, in this thread alone.
But I suppose it's easier to run around with your fingers in your ears, saying, "Lalalalala, I can't hear you, and btw when are you going to answer the question?"
Originally posted by Rajk999Again, this is why you are a hypocrite.
Here is an answer and I will use the favourite passage Christians like to quote to show that only Christians will get into Gods Kingdom.
[i]For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son,
that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world;
but tha ...[text shortened]... e Christ only with their mouth becuase they think this mouth worship gets them eternal life.[/b]
You say (with your mouth) the correct doctrine and yet you do not do these things (belief in your heart). You forget that you cannot confess with your mouth if you have nothing to confess.
Again, neither I, nor any other Christian here, disagrees with this doctrine. It is BASIC Christian doctrine. Where you FAIL, is ASSUMING all Christians in this forum (even though you couch your words using the careful "some" ) are guilty of your claim of "mouth worship", ESPECIALLY when there is NO testimony of you "following Christ" yourself.
"The unfortunate truth is that some Christians dont really like Christ, becuase they dont like His teachings. They like Christ only with their mouth becuase they think this mouth worship gets them eternal life."
Name them. You ceaselessly attack Christians in this forum because you CLAIM this false witness against them. I'm guessing you reserve this "special" category for Christians who call you out on your blatant hypocrisy. This is NOT "following Christ".
Originally posted by SuzianneIm replying to you because for the first time in years you are actually trying to discuss the topic at hand. What you call me or think of me is like the wind blowing .. dont give a flying $%@. As for your doctrine, and knowledge of the teachings of Christ, it stinks.
More false witness. Christians know that what they believe with their hearts must be confessed with their mouths (Romans 10:10 - "For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation." ). How do you not feel shame for slandering all Christians by claiming Jesus is not in their hearts? You should examin ...[text shortened]... accept ALL of Christ's doctrine, not just the parts you like to use to scourge Christians with.
Nowhere did Christ say that people are not righteous, as your quotes prove very clearly. not even your dishonest attempt to show the same quote by Christ by 3 different authors has anything about righteous.
BUT .. there are many places where Christ refers to people as righteous, and there are hundreds of places where the bible speak of some who were righteous or even perfect before God. Christ said he will call the RIGHTEOUS INTO THE KINGDOM OF GOD. If there are Christians who think that all they have to do is confess with their mouth that they believe and then automatically they become righteous then they they will be in for a shock, and there are many like that.
The false doctrine of some stupid Christians is what is going to stop them from entering the Kingdom of God because some Christians like sonship preach that nothing is required and that good works are trying to earn your salvation and other such nonsense.
Jesus was crystal clear .. he wants righteous people in his kingdom. If those who profess his name dont cut it then they will be destroyed. End of story.
Originally posted by SuzianneNot at all. Just when you are bizarrely characterizing a couple of short on-topic yes-no questions to KellyJay as being "lies", you come out with something about "no Christians" being on Rajk999's "list", which sounds distinctly economical with the truth. Which post or posts did he talk about there being "no Christians" on "the list"? I think you are just making it up.
Someone sounds upset.
Originally posted by SuzianneHowever, the problem is that a god figure who tortures billions upon billions of people forever in flames for their lack of belief, and a god figure who does absolutely nothing of the sort, are - by their very nature - completely different god figures, in terms of their moral example, in terms of their temperament, in terms of their behaviour etc. Completely and utterly different.
Both sides believe that their doctrine and not the other is plain to read in scripture. It's all about interpretation, which depends mainly on where your head is at already and what you have been taught.
divegeester: So...the Jews then...going to hell?From KellyJay's contributions on this thread thus far, do you think that he believes the Jews do end up in hell or do you think that he believes the Jews do not end up in hell?
Originally posted by Suzianne
What is wrong with you? You could try actually reading his posts instead of your usual "tl;dr".
Originally posted by FMFChristians, who are OSAS, dont have to tell the truth .. remember?
Not at all. Just when you are bizarrely characterizing a couple of short on-topic yes-no questions to KellyJay as being "lies", you come out with something about "no Christians" being on Rajk999's "list", which sounds distinctly economical with the truth. Which post or posts did he talk about there being "no Christians" on "the list"? I think you are just making it up.
Originally posted by Rajk999No one, no, not one, is righteous without Christ.
Im replying to you because for the first time in years you are actually trying to discuss the topic at hand. What you call me or think of me is like the wind blowing .. dont give a flying $%@. As for your doctrine, and knowledge of the teachings of Christ, it stinks.
Nowhere did Christ say that people are not righteous, as your quotes prove very clea ...[text shortened]... is kingdom. If those who profess his name dont cut it then they will be destroyed. End of story.
And you say it with your mouth, but do you really understand Romans 10:10? You SAY you do, and we all agree with what you SAY (with your mouth). If you think that no Christians in this forum believe in the Lord Jesus in their hearts (and with the help of the Holy Spirit, claim testimony of Him with their works), then you are only committing false witness, and shows YOUR lack of belief in your heart.
Romans 10:10 is BASIC Christian doctrine. Belief in the heart is first and leads to righteousness (through the Holy Spirit and exercised in "works" ), AND confessing in the Lord with your mouth (providing testimony of their belief in Him) leads to salvation. All Christians know this.
Yet you sit here and claim that Christians in this forum only do the last part, without first believing in Him and having Him in their hearts. This is absurd, and nothing short of vicious false witness. (Similar to what others have done on this site for years, and still attempt on a regular basis, conducting smear campaigns just because someone disagrees with them.)
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Originally posted by FMFWhat YOU think is as important to me as last week's weather.
Not at all. Just when you are bizarrely characterizing a couple of short on-topic yes-no questions to KellyJay as being "lies", you come out with something about "no Christians" being on Rajk999's "list", which sounds distinctly economical with the truth. Which post or posts did he talk about there being "no Christians" on "the list"? I think you are just making it up.
I'm simply not prepared to align anything you say with "truth".
You twist everything, to suit your own ends, which aren't exactly "saintly".
I've wasted far too much time with you already.
Originally posted by FMFI refuse to answer any more of your posts displaying such over-the-top hyperbole.
However, the problem is that a god figure who tortures billions upon billions of people forever in flames for their lack of belief, and a god figure who does absolutely nothing of the sort, are - by their very nature - completely different god figures, in terms of their moral example, in terms of their temperament, in terms of their behaviour etc. Completely and utterly different.
Come down to earth and we can have an actual conversation.
Originally posted by FMFThe question, in itself, is nonsensical.
From KellyJay's contributions on this thread thus far, do you think that he believes the Jews [b]do end up in hell or do you think that he believes the Jews do not end up in hell?[/b]
No one "goes to hell" simply for being a Jew. The turning stick is their belief in the Son of God, and accepting Him and following Him.
If you'd actually read what KJ said, you would have gotten this, but you were too focused on your attempt to run him down that you couldn't be bothered with gleaning his meaning on your own.
You treat everyone who disagrees with you like this. It's your M.O. We've all seen it for years and years and years. Seriously, you need a new trick or two.