Jesus Christ Changed the World

@wolfgang59 said
Why would I need to know?

If somebody tells me Jesus was 6 inches high and I call them a liar.
I am supposed to know and prove what height Jesus was?

@dj2becker said
Strawman.

@dj2becker said
Wolfgang just called Hammond a liar and when asked if he in fact knows the reasons for Mandela’s imprisomment he doesn’t know as suspected.

@suzianne said
You said "actual reasons", as if the reasons given by history for his imprisonment weren't really why he was imprisoned. Like he said, educate us then.

YouTube

@dj2becker said
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKO7MmJ60zY

@ghost-of-a-duke said
How about just stating the 'actual reasons'?

@dj2becker said
He admitted and pleaded guilty in open court to 156 acts of public violence and terrorism according to Hammond.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Have you actually read Mandela's statement from the dock?!

It includes the statement, 'But the violence which we chose to adopt was not terrorism. We who formed Umkhonto were all members of the African National Congress, and had behind us the ANC tradition of non-violence and negotiation as a means of solving political disputes. We believe that South Africa belongs ...[text shortened]... oid it to the last minute...'


http://www.un.org/en/events/mandeladay/court_statement_1964.shtml

@dj2becker said
‘The violence we chose to adopt was not terrorism.’ Sound about right to you?

The ANC are known for their non-violent songs such as ‘Shoot the boer’.

Do you have any idea of the genocide of white farmers still going on at this moment due to the non-violent ways of the ANC? Do you have any idea how many white farmers have been murdered since the ANC came into power in 1994?

@ghost-of-a-duke said
In light of the link I provided, are you going to retract your statement, 'He admitted and pleaded guilty in open court to 156 acts of public violence and terrorism'?

Again, bear in mind his 'actual' words, ''But the violence which we chose to adopt was not terrorism...

@dj2becker said
Him saying that the public violence that they chose to adopt was not terrorism is neither here nor there. If public violence does not amount to terrorism where do you draw the line?

NATO defines terrorism in the AAP-06 NATO Glossary of Terms and Definitions, Edition 2014 as "The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence against individuals or property in an att ...[text shortened]... e or intimidate governments or societies to achieve political, religious or ideological objectives".

@wolfgang59 said
But Hammond states that Mandella admitted terrorism. (Not that others think he was a terrorist). So clearly Hammond is lying.

Next ... substantiate Hammond's claim that Gandhi had sex with his own sister.

@dj2becker said
Him saying that the public violence that they chose to adopt was not terrorism is neither here nor there. If public violence does not amount to terrorism where do you draw the line?

NATO defines terrorism in the AAP-06 NATO Glossary of Terms and Definitions, Edition 2014 as "The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence against individuals or property in an att ...[text shortened]... ments or societies to achieve political, religious or ideological objectives".

There you have it.

@dj2becker said

I have no reason to believe that Hammond is lying. He is not ‘guilty until proven innocent’. If you want to call him a liar the burden of proof is on you.

@dj2becker said
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