19 Sep 12
Originally posted by NickstenYes, well since my mind is sick because I'm a straight man who doesn't see anything wrong or really all that different between gay and straight sex, I guess you wont want to talk to me anymore.
[b]So we are trying to get our crap together and unify the planet so it may enter the greater universal community of enlightened planets and you are worried about gays because they are immoral and unnatural.
Well, this is what the discussion is about, isn't it?
As for being unnatural, I'm not so sure anyone could give me a definition of "natura ...[text shortened]... l and immoral. I've said it 5 times, and I will say it a billion more times.
Yep, just go and say it another billion times. Thats the kind of repitition that will surely achieve something. What that is, I'm not sure, but I'm pretty sure it's not really going to affect people's sexual oreintation, because, as I said earlier, there a far greater immoral injustices in the world.
"If your not told you will do it again". It's lines like that that keep reaffirming to me that Christianity is largely a childish "beginners" religion to introduce people to a few basic universal concepts.
Jesus' core message wasn't unique, he may as well have been a buddhist monk the way he carried on and the stuff he said. A bhoddisattva at best.
Seeya, wouldn't want to be ya 😉
19 Sep 12
Originally posted by Conrau KI think these types of questions have been thrown around by various posters and I cant remember ever hearing of a remotely adequate answer. But you never know 🙂
As a gay man, perhaps I can contribute to this discussion. I can assure anyone in doubt that I did not choose my sexual orientation. At least, if I did, I have no recollection of it and it must have been before the age of reason when I could be culpable for such a choice. Of course, it is my choice whether I have sex or not; it is not my choice, however, wh ...[text shortened]... s who engage in oral or other non-procreative sexual activities? Shouldn't these also be gross.
19 Sep 12
Originally posted by karoly aczelAt least by saying to people they are doing what is unethical and morally wrong, I am helping the human race to tell them that. You are just sitting and going with the flow, driving the human race into a brick wall.
Yes, well since my mind is sick because I'm a straight man who doesn't see anything wrong or really all that different between gay and straight sex, I guess you wont want to talk to me anymore.
Yep, just go and say it another billion times. Thats the kind of repitition that will surely achieve something. What that is, I'm not sure, but I'm pretty sur ...[text shortened]... nd the stuff he said. A bhoddisattva at best.
Seeya, wouldn't want to be ya 😉
You have zero understanding of Christianity. Keep following your faith, maybe it will lead you into thinking child porn is okay for our inner pleasures as well, heck if being gay isn't sick, then child porn isn't any different (to you?).
Yes there are far more and greater immoral injustices in the world. You are more than welcome to open threads to discuss them.
19 Sep 12
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Originally posted by NickstenHow does child porn ie. the sexual abuse of a minor, equate to consenting sex between adults?
At least by saying to people they are doing what is unethical and morally wrong, I am helping the human race to tell them that. You are just sitting and going with the flow, driving the human race into a brick wall.
You have zero understanding of Christianity. Keep following your faith, maybe it will lead you into thinking child porn is okay for our inne er immoral injustices in the world. You are more than welcome to open threads to discuss them.
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19 Sep 12
Originally posted by Proper KnobI remember as a young boy when homosexuality was decriminalised and people congregated outside state parliament waving placards warning that this was the start of pedophilia. Not then nor now will I ever see a connection between homosexuality and pedophilia.
How does child porn ie. the sexual abuse of a minor, equate to consenting sex between adults?
Originally posted by Conrau Kau contrare you should know and be aware, controversial as it is, that the vast majority
I remember as a young boy when homosexuality was decriminalised and people congregated outside state parliament waving placards warning that this was the start of pedophilia. Not then nor now will I ever see a connection between homosexuality and pedophilia.
of cases of paedophilia within the catholic church were perpetrated against young
boys. Coincidental? No link? How are we to explain the phenomena? What possessed
those people to perpetrate these crimes against these young people, was it their
homosexuality or their paedophilia?
19 Sep 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobiethat the vast majority of cases of paedophilia within the catholic church were perpetrated against young boys.
au contrare you should know and be aware, controversial as it is, that the vast majority
of cases of paedophilia within the catholic church were perpetrated against young
boys. Coincidental? No link? How are we to explain the phenomena? What possessed
those people to perpetrate these crimes against these young people, was it their
homosexuality or their paedophilia?
Show me the data, i'd like to see that.
19 Sep 12
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Found it.
• The largest group of alleged victims (50.9% ) was between the ages of 11 and 14, 27.3% were 15-17, 16% were 8-10 and nearly 6% were under age 7. Overall, 81% of victims were male and 19% female. Male victims tended to be older than female victims. Over 40% of all victims were males between the ages of 11 and 14.
http://www.philvaz.com/apologetics/PriestAbuseScandal.htm
So if, as your suggesting, homosexuality was the cause of the 81% of males being abuse, was hetrosexuality the cause for the 19% of females abused?
19 Sep 12
Originally posted by Proper KnobThis is an irrelevancy because it seeks not to explain the phenomena, but to state that
Found it.
• The largest group of alleged victims (50.9% ) was between the ages of 11 and 14, 27.3% were 15-17, 16% were 8-10 and nearly 6% were under age 7. Overall, 81% of victims were male and 19% female. Male victims tended to be older than female victims. Over 40% of all victims were males between the ages of 11 and 14.
http://ww ...[text shortened]... use of the 81% of males being abuse, was hetrosexuality the cause for the 19% of females abused?
heterosexuality was responsible for the abuse of young girls, when in fact, it is clear
that it was paedophilia, the same cannot be said of those acts perpetrated against
young boys by those of the same sex. Its an astonishing figure. I suspect that it has
more to do with expediency, in that boys were probably more readily available as
victims, although its purely speculative.
19 Sep 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThe same cannot be said of those acts perpetrated against young boys by those of the same sex.
This is an irrelevancy because it seeks not to explain the phenomena, but to state that
heterosexuality was responsible for the abuse of young girls, when in fact, it is clear
that it was paedophilia, the same cannot be said of those acts perpetrated against
young boys by those of the same sex. Its an astonishing figure. I suspect that it has ...[text shortened]... in that boys were probably more readily available as
victims, although its purely speculative.
Why not?
19 Sep 12
Originally posted by SwissGambitHowever, humans are not animals... even though they act like it sometimes. Animals lack the ability to reason and are driven more by instint than anything else. Humans reason, think, have feelings and care among other characteristics. To equate humans to animals is, well, shortsighted.
Other animals do it; therefore it's natural. Hard to get more obvious than that.
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19 Sep 12
Originally posted by Proper Knobbecause in the case of young girls the charge of homosexuality cannot be upheld, only
[b]The same cannot be said of those acts perpetrated against young boys by those of the same sex.
Why not?[/b]
paedophilia remains, in the case of young boys, it is unclear what motivated the
molesters.