23 Nov 17
Originally posted by @fmfIf the laws of a society allow the death sentence for certain actions, would the members of that society be doing something morally unsound if they were to apply the law of their society?
You seem to want to separate 'morality' from the act of killing. Was it morally sound for the ancient Hebrews to kill gays?
Originally posted by @dj2beckerYou should perhaps just answer my question.
If the laws of a society allow the death sentence for certain actions, would the members of that society be doing something morally unsound if they were to apply the law of their society?
As for me, I think capital punishment is morally unsound. Laws and moral codes are not one-in-the-same and they often diverge considerably. You already know this. I am asking about the morality of killing gays - in your view, as a religionist - and not about what the laws of the society happened to be at that time.
How about your answer to my question?
Originally posted by @dj2beckerThe 'death sentences' visited upon Jews (and others) by the Nazi regime in Germany in the 1940s were for all intents and purposes in accordance with "the laws of the society" but this did not make the Holocaust morally sound.
If the laws of a society allow the death sentence for certain actions, would the members of that society be doing something morally unsound if they were to apply the law of their society?
23 Nov 17
Originally posted by @fmfIf your moral sensibilities make your belief that capital punishment is morally unsound right for you why wouldn't the moral sensibilities of the jews that allowed them to apply the death penalty not be right for them?
You should perhaps just answer my question.
As for me, I think capital punishment is morally unsound. Laws and moral codes are not one-in-the-same and they often diverge considerably. You already know this. I am asking about the morality of killing gays - in your view, as a religionist - and not about what the laws of the society happened to be at that time.
How about your answer to my question?
23 Nov 17
Originally posted by @fmfIf the laws of a society don't determine what is morally sound behavior for that society, then what does?
The 'death sentences' visited upon Jews (and others) by the Nazi regime in Germany in the 1940s were for all intents and purposes in accordance with "the laws of the society" but this did not make the Holocaust morally sound.
Originally posted by @dj2beckerYou should perhaps just answer my question with a statement of your belief rather than a question to me.
If your moral sensibilities make your belief that capital punishment is morally unsound right for you why wouldn't the moral sensibilities of the jews that allowed them to apply the death penalty not be right for them?
Originally posted by @dj2beckerWe have discussed the relationship - and the gap - between laws and morality already. My stance has not changed.
If the laws of a society don't determine what is morally sound behavior for that society, then what does?
Originally posted by @dj2beckerI am not asking you if the ancient Hebrews were "allowed" to apply the death penalty, I am asking you if you think it was deemed morally sound (and not legally sound) and whether you yourself think it was morally sound.
If your moral sensibilities make your belief that capital punishment is morally unsound right for you why wouldn't the moral sensibilities of the jews that allowed them to apply the death penalty not be right for them?
23 Nov 17
Originally posted by @fmfI did not ask you about the relationship -and the gap - between laws and morality. I asked you: "If the laws of a society don't determine what is morally sound behavior for that society, then what does?"
We have discussed the relationship - and the gap - between laws and morality already. My stance has not changed.
Originally posted by @dj2beckerWe have discussed the difference - and overlap - between laws and morals before. You're pretending we haven't. My question still stands. Was it morally sound, in your view, for the Hebrews to kill gays?
I did not ask you about the relationship -and the gap - between laws and morality. I asked you: "If the laws of a society don't determine what is morally sound behavior for that society, then what does?"
23 Nov 17
Originally posted by @dj2beckerYou haven't answered my question. And you already know what I believe about laws and morality because we discussed it before in detail.
So I should answer your questions while you continue to ignore mine?
Originally posted by @dj2beckerJust state your belief. Asking me questions does not answer the question.
According to the old or the new covenant?
Killing homosexuals was once morally sound - yes or no?
Killing homosexuals is still morally sound - yes or no?
23 Nov 17
Originally posted by @fmf"If the laws of a society don't determine what is morally sound behavior for that society, then what does?"
We have discussed the difference - and overlap - between laws and morals before. You're pretending we haven't. My question still stands. Was it morally sound, in your view, for the Hebrews to kill gays?
You have never answered this question and until you do don't expect me to answer yours.