26 Jan 21
@ghost-of-a-duke saidIf it is indeed Gods wishes they are doing, then they they are good, regardless of who disagrees. King Saul was commanded to kill out the Amalekites. He disobeyed. Then by definition he was evil and God punished him.
Good people have done evil things when they believe they are acting in the name of God and carrying out His wishes.
In the end it is God who will judge good and evil.
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There is also justice logic in reincarnation, with people dying young in this life having the chance to live again in the next. Does that make it true? Should we only believe things that are warm and cuddly and ignore reality?
What's the reality we are ignoring?
26 Jan 21
@sonship saidThat there isn't a final accounting, that bad people who die before they are punished are not punished beyond death.
@Ghost-of-a-DukeThere is also justice logic in reincarnation, with people dying young in this life having the chance to live again in the next. Does that make it true? Should we only believe things that are warm and cuddly and ignore reality?
What's the reality we are ignoring?
26 Jan 21
@rajk999 saidWhat if a good person 'mistakenly' believes God wants them to do an evil act. (Perhaps they have been led astray). Is that an exception?
Evil people do evil. Good people do good.
There are no exceptions
History is littered with good people who have been brainwashed into doing evil acts in the name of a particular deity.
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26 Jan 21
That there isn't a final accounting, that bad people who die before they are punished are not punished beyond death.
And you know this is the reality because ___________?
A.) You prefer it that way.
B.) Not all theists are good people.
C.) Evolution just works that way.
D.) You just know it as a brute given.
E.) Some really smart people you know laugh at the Bible.
F.) Other
26 Jan 21
@sonship saidD
@Ghost-of-a-DukeThat there isn't a final accounting, that bad people who die before they are punished are not punished beyond death.
And you know this is the reality because ___________?
A.) You prefer it that way.
B.) Not all theists are good people.
C.) Evolution just works that way.
D.) You just know it as a brute given.
E.) Some really smart people you know laugh at the Bible.
F.) Other
26 Jan 21
@ghost-of-a-duke saidWho decides that it was a good person in the first place? Those questions can only be answered on the day of judgment by the only man [Christ] who knows the heart ie the intent and motive for peoples actions.
What if a good person 'mistakenly' believes God wants them to do an evil act. (Perhaps they have been led astray). Is that an exception?
History is littered with good people who have been brainwashed into doing evil acts in the name of a particular deity.
Of course there is the case of Job who God regarded as good and he could not be led astray. There are many such people. Solomon was a good man but led astray by too many women to worship idols. Its a difficult topic. For me Im hesitant to call people who appear to be good, good, or to call people who appear to be bad, bad. You just never know.
27 Jan 21
@sonship saidIf your fear of a supernatural being punishing you after you die makes you behave in a morally sound way, then I welcome such morally sound behaviour.
With atheism there is no final accounting.
Perpetrators dissolve peacefully into oblivion.
With God there IS a final accounting.
One of the reasons we tremble to pass judgment too easily on others.
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27 Jan 21
@sonship saidIt’s makes no sense, that’s why.
@divegeester
Don't trouble yourself longer on it.
It makes no sense to you.
27 Jan 21
@sonship saidIt's my own view expressed in my own words. I am not regurgitating the writings of some cult leader from somewhere or other or from some time in the past. But anyway, sonship, the point you are deflecting from is this: if you don't rape women because you fear the God figure you believe in, then that is good news for women.
No regurgitating now.
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Well, I don't share any such an assumption. I have to deal with a character of great purity, Jesus. What He says about the matter carries weight.
He wanted nothing for Himself. He wanted everything for His Father.
And His Father, I believe, vindicated that and put death and the grave under His feet.
So this man speaks to the world about forgiveness and judgment carries a weighty approvedness. Its not accidental. It is deliberately consistent.
So when Jesus speaks of forgiveness and redemption and yes final, absolute final judgment according to truth, it matches the power of His deeds.
The alternative seems mostly to throw stones at religion and religious people hoping that enough stones thrown will make Christ and God go away somehow.
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@FMF
You're regurgitating a standard quip used for years.
You repeat and its original.
Someone else repeats what you don't like and its regurgitating a cult leader.
Anyway, a genetic fallacy wouldn't prove atheism is true.
27 Jan 21
@rajk999 saidAnd yet you pass judgement on many who post here, calling them "mouth worshippers", when in reality you "just never know."
Who decides that it was a good person in the first place? Those questions can only be answered on the day of judgment by the only man [Christ] who knows the heart ie the intent and motive for peoples actions.
Of course there is the case of Job who God regarded as good and he could not be led astray. There are many such people. Solomon was a good man but led astray by too ...[text shortened]... ople who appear to be good, good, or to call people who appear to be bad, bad. You just never know.