Spirituality
31 Dec 17
16 Jan 18
Originally posted by @dj2beckerI am not interested in a hypothetical popularity contest between religions that I have no reason to believe are revelations of god or gods. I see religions as being a product of culture and geography. As a non-believer, imagining myself to be a believer, I would assume I would find the religion I grew up with to be the "embodiment of truth".
I am asking your opinion as a non-believer, if you took all religions at face value. I fully understand why you would dodge the question. Could it be intellectual dishonesty perhaps?
16 Jan 18
Originally posted by @fmfOf course it conveniently suits you not to be interested in answering my question honestly. I am not asking for a popularity contest, simply your honest evaluation if you have that in you.
I am not interested in a hypothetical popularity contest between religions that I have no reason to believe are revelations of god or gods. I see religions as being a product of culture and geography. As a non-believer, imagining myself to be a believer, I would assume I would find the religion I grew up with to be the "embodiment of truth".
16 Jan 18
Originally posted by @dj2beckerYou used the word "compete". From my point of view there is no competition. I have no preference. I don’t think any religions reflect or embody a "true" revelation of any god or gods there may be. I think the Jesus-torturer god ideology is just as far-fetched as what the other retail religions offer. This is my honest evaluation and my honest response.
Of course it conveniently suits you not to be interested in answering my question honestly. I am not asking for a popularity contest, simply your honest evaluation if you have that in you.
Originally posted by @fmfSo this God that you believe may be out there that has not communicated with any of us just created us for the heck of it and left us in the dark. When we die this God won't hold us accountable for anything we've done either? I'm sure your theory makes a lot more sense. 🙄
You used the word "compete". From my point of view there is no competition. I have no preference. I don’t think any religions reflect or embody a "true" revelation of any god or gods there may be. I think the Jesus-torturer god ideology is just as far-fetched as what the other retail religions offer. This is my honest evaluation and my honest response.
16 Jan 18
Originally posted by @dj2beckerThere's nothing "dark" about it as far as I am concerned. I don't really need my lack of belief (superstition) to make sense to you personally. It doesn't make sense to some of my Muslim or Hindu friends either.
So this God that you believe may be out there that has not communicated with any of us just created us for the heck of it and left us in the dark. I'm sure your theory makes a lot more sense. 🙄
You seem to have a habit of ignoring whatever is said to you in discussions. Maybe if you listened more attentively, you might be able to understand where non-believers are coming from better.
If ever I start to feel you have credible information about any god there may be, I will let you know.
16 Jan 18
Originally posted by @dj2beckerIf your belief in a god figure who holds you accountable - and who can burn you for eternity if it wants to - results in you behaving in a morally sound way, then that's a good thing for the people you interact with, I guess.
When we die this God won't hold us accountable for anything we've done either?
16 Jan 18
Originally posted by @dj2beckerI don't know about all the other supposed deities; as I've said Jesus works for me and my faith is my personal evidence., I don't see any other evidence - you do but don't seem to be able to coherently describe it without using web-links and spurious claims about your own belief structure. Tho be honest I think this topic has run it's course with you; you are fortunate that I'm even bothering with you at all becker.
I asked you the question and you responded with what someone else would say. That is a dodge.
Originally posted by @suzianneExcellent post as was your one in this thread before it.
That's exactly right, and I often take issue with those who would worship the Bible. And by that, I mean worshipping the book itself, not the God it describes. They do this in many ways, some seeking to justify their own behaviors, others seeking to control others. It's not a weapon to be used on others and it's not a pedestal one can use to exalt onese ...[text shortened]... es some good-old interaction (decisions and actions) to be worth even the paper it's printed on.
Originally posted by @divegeesterBut it is "testimony".
Tesitmonies from other christians about what they believe about the bible are not “evidence”. What’s the matter with you, are you not reading my posts?
I know what the bible says about itself, I know what you say about it and I know what other Christians say about it. This is not evidence.
And yes, that's different from "evidence".
Originally posted by @fmfWhich part of God making the effort to create us and then just leaving us on our own without communicating with us makes sense to you? I am not asking for it to make sense to me. What exactly have I ignored? You have a habit of saying I ignore what you say but you never seem to be able to point out exactly what it is that I have ignored.
There's nothing "dark" about it as far as I am concerned. I don't really need my lack of belief (superstition) to make sense to you personally. It doesn't make sense to some of my Muslim or Hindu friends either.
You seem to have a habit of ignoring whatever is said to you in discussions. Maybe if you listened more attentively, you might be able to understan ...[text shortened]... I start to feel you have credible information about any god there may be, I will let you know.
Originally posted by @dj2beckerWhat I have to say is invariably in the posts that you studiously ignore.
You have a habit of saying I ignore what you say but you never seem to be able to point out exactly what it is that I have ignored.
Originally posted by @dj2beckerI don't see what's wrong with this scenario.
Which part of God making the effort to create us and then just leaving us on our own without communicating with us makes sense to you?
Originally posted by @fmfOk lets see how your version works. A God that is smart enough to create complex life and spiritual beings with a longing for the supernatural did that just to have us make up false gods and worship them while he looks down and laughs at us. Nothing wrong with that?
I don't see what's wrong with this scenario.