@kellyjay saidI'll take my academic knowledge of scripture over your blinkered view of the texts any day of the week.
Year's of study and you still managed to miss the God who is here, and even managed to be confused about there being One God in the Scriptures, isn’t a strong case for your grasp of the Word of God.
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@Ghost-of-a-Duke
I am curious to know who were your teachers in academia where you studied the Bible? Did the curriculum have a name ?
Did it have a standard text as a guiding aid other than the Bible?
@ghost-of-a-duke saidNo doubt, but this is not a matter of academic opinion that prevails here, but the truth.
I'll take my academic knowledge of scripture over your blinkered view of the texts any day of the week.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidDid He say He was never going up?
Perhaps a more knowledgable Christian will help you to better address the question.
"You go to the festival. I am not going up to this festival, because my time has not yet fully come.” After he had said this, he stayed in Galilee. However, after his brothers had left for the festival, he went also, not publicly, but in secret.'
Please explain why this was not a case of Jesus telling a lie?
@sonship saidI have a BA honors degree in Theology which comprised of 30 modules over 3 years, (including the dissertation). It was attained at a regular university in the UK and I had some choice over the modules I studied. The degree covered all world religions though at least two-thirds were related to Christianity and the bible. (I did once provide Suzianne here with a complete list of the modules I studied). Theology was my 'major' and Educational studies my 'minor', as my original intent was to go into teaching. From memory, all of my tutors were Christian.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
I am curious to know who were your teachers in academia where you studied the Bible? Did the curriculum have a name ?
Did it have a standard text as a guiding aid other than the Bible?
@kellyjay saidlook, only a simple reading of the text is required to understand it's meaning. Jesus realized going to the feast wasn't safe for him and thought it better to go in secret. That was a completely sensible thing for him to do and I'm sure in his position I would have done likewise. It is to this end that he told his brothers he wasn't going, and then secretly attended on his own. This not only kept himself safe but probably his brothers too.
Did He say He was never going up?
The fact remains, however, irrespective of his sensible motivation, that Jesus lied to his brothers, something that you personally have identified as a sinful act.
Over to you.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidI read the text you have suggested things not said, He didn't lie to them.
look, only a simple reading of the text is required to understand it's meaning. Jesus realized going to the feast wasn't safe for him and thought it better to go in secret. That was a completely sensible thing for him to do and I'm sure in his position I would have done likewise. It is to this end that he told his brothers he wasn't going, and then secretly attended o ...[text shortened]... lied to his brothers, something that you personally have identified as a sinful act.
Over to you.
@sonship saidWeren't you the poster who once touted the 'knowledge' and 'expertise' of someone with a community college qualification in playing the guitar who had a few self-published YouTube clips over the knowledge and background of one of the world's leading, and most respected, academic experts on the New Testament and the history of the early Christians [the author of The Triumph of Christianity and The Historical Argument for Jesus of Nazareth]? If you find out who Ghost of a Duke's teachers were, what are you going to do?
I am curious to know who were your teachers in academia where you studied the Bible?
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@FMF
I am not that person.
Nothing sounded familiar except that I do play guitar and have referenced YouTubes.
The hodge podge description sounds like a conglomerate of a few people you might have in mind combined.
I may have linked to some YouTubes on history of Christian beginnings or something.
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Weren't you the poster who once touted the 'knowledge' and 'expertise' of someone with a community college qualification in playing the guitar who had a few self-published YouTube clips over the knowledge and background of one of the world's leading, and most respected, academic experts on the New Testament and the history of the early Christians [the author of The Triumph of Christianity and The Historical Argument for Jesus of Nazareth]? If you find out who Ghost of a Duke's teachers were, what are you going to do?
I said once that some Christians I was with were in a class of a New Testament Greek language expert to tutor us in Greek.
That had nothing to do with guitar or music. And the community college thing doesn't ring any bells.
Mentioning that the man was a Phd. and wrote a Greek language textbook was not "touting." It was just giving credit where it is due.
What does that have to do with me simply asking about Ghost's class/es?
@sonship saidOf course you are that person.
@FMF
I am not that person.
Whether it was a certificate in the playing of all guitars or just an acoustic guitar that the guy whose academic expertise you touted over that of one of the world's most famous authorities on the history of early Christianity, I cannot recall.
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@sonship saidYou asked Ghost of a Duke "who were your teachers?"
What does that have to do with me simply asking about Ghost's class/es?
If you find out who his teachers were, what are you going to do?
If his teachers were YouTube-clip posting guitar players with community college certificates to prove it... or if his teachers were New Testament scholars with academic expertise in the historical Jesus and the origins and development of early Christianity... which side are you going to come down on?
@sonship saidNope. No hodge-podge. The community college graduate (guitar & honours, I assume) was the "academic" you touted. The author of The Triumph of Christianity and The Historical Argument for Jesus of Nazareth and almost 30 other highly rated books was just a "pop historian". I recall it clearly. It's interesting how invariably your memory fails when it comes to instances of your wheels falling off on the forum.
The hodge podge description sounds like a conglomerate of a few people you might have in mind combined.
@kellyjay said"You go to the party Kelly, I am not going." (However, after you leave to attend the party I do go, in secret).
I read the text you have suggested things not said, He didn't lie to them.
Did I lie to you Kelly when I said I wasn't going to the party?