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@philokalia saidI haven't "flipped" at all.
You flipped on this very quickly.
@philokalia saidYou seemed to be using the turn of phrase "In the abstract sense" to obfuscate in some way. This is all abstract and superstitious stuff. All of it. So, you have the chance now to answer unequivocally. Do you actually believe, in reality, it is the will of your God that Trump is your president?
You saw what I wrote, didn't you?
Would you like to go read it again?
@philokalia saidSo the majority of American Christians - most of whom were conservative Christians - voted for and got a Christian president they wanted ~ and one they accepted as a fellow Christian ~ in 2016. There's been no flip.
Yes, of course he is favored by them as he fights for what they believe in and does it with a lot of gusto and attitude, something that has been utterly alien to mainstream conservatives in national level politics in America.
@philokalia saidYou can tell what I am "going for here" by simply reading my posts. There is no need to attribute any additional ideas or arguments to me in order that you may then disagree with those.
But, sure, I bet you can find some conservative version of Suzianne and obsess over the fact that the lowest common denominator of the conservatives will say ugly things or some such. Is that what you are gong for here, my British-Indonesian moral relativist compatriot?
@fmf saidI answered this is in a previous post.
You seemed to be using the turn of phrase "In the abstract sense" to obfuscate in some way. This is all abstract and superstitious stuff. All of it. So, you have the chance now to answer unequivocally. Do you actually believe, in reality, it is the will of your God that Trump is your president?
@fmf saidI find this practice of yours to be really curious but understandable...
So the majority of American Christians - most of whom were conservative Christians - voted for and got a Christian president they wanted ~ and one they accepted as a fellow Christian ~ in 2016. There's been no flip.
@philokalia saidI did. I noticed your wording. So I re-asked. "Do you actually believe, in reality, it is the will of your God that Trump is your president?" Your answer is "yes", right?
I answered this is in a previous post.
Why didn't you read it? That's the real question.
@philokalia saidIf all this stuff is "advice" of some kind, thank you.
I find this practice of yours to be really curious but understandable...
Your arguments are like an accordion....
One second, they are stretched out and taut, implying that there is a moral condemnation of Christians because they have selected Pres. Trump (an exceedingly common argument brought up by peopel to disparage Christians from a left perspective these days), ...[text shortened]... of fact.[/i]
I feel like I should flip a coin in your hat -- it is an entertainign minstrel show.
@philokalia saidCan you quote me on this "moral condemnation of Christians" thing?
One second, they are stretched out and taut, implying that there is a moral condemnation of Christians because they have selected Pres. Trump
@fmf saidIs God sovereign over the affairs of men?
I did. I noticed your wording. So I re-asked. "Do you actually believe, in reality, it is the will of your God that Trump is your president?" Your answer is "yes", right?
@fmf saidIf this is all some kind of advice, then thank you. I'll use it in the future.
I did. I noticed your wording. So I re-asked. "Do you actually believe, in reality, it is the will of your God that Trump is your president?" Your answer is "yes", right?
@secondson saidDo you believe it is the will of your God that Trump is your president?
Is God sovereign over the affairs of men?
You don't think so. So you really don't have a point. That Trump is president, as far as you're concerned, has nothing to do with the "God figure" you disdain.
@philokalia saidWhere is this "sweeping condemnation"? Which post are you referring to?
One moment, a sweeping condemnation is implied that builds off of a very common theme in political discussions.
@secondson saidAre you a believer in the notion that God puts world leaders such as Donald Trump in place?
Is God sovereign over the affairs of men?
You don't think so. So you really don't have a point. That Trump is president, as far as you're concerned, has nothing to do with the "God figure" you disdain.
@fmf saidThe one thing I do believe this universe reveals is the type of people we are. We
Although you don't necessarily think Trump is "good" or a "Christian" or even a "good Christian", do you believe that the power that he wields is ordained by God and that he was placed there in government by God?