Democrats freaking out about church speech

@secondson said
"Jesus died because he was executed by the Romans for sedition."

That's a bogus statement. Substantiate it with any historical record if you can.

Apparently your knowledge of the scriptures after so many years of thinking you were a Christian doesn't add up to much.

Well?

@secondson said
"Jesus died because he was executed by the Romans for sedition."

That's a bogus statement. Substantiate it with any historical record if you can.

On one hand, you have the Bible, and on the other, you have the history of the Roman Empire. So I don't see how my statement can be described as "bogus".

@secondson said
"Jesus died because he was executed by the Romans for sedition."

That's a bogus statement. Substantiate it with any historical record if you can.

Apparently your knowledge of the scriptures after so many years of thinking you were a Christian doesn't add up to much.

"Bogus"?

SecondSon?

@fmf said
SecondSon?

“Bathroom break”

@secondson said
"Jesus died because he was executed by the Romans for sedition."

That's a bogus statement. Substantiate it with any historical record if you can.

Apparently your knowledge of the scriptures after so many years of thinking you were a Christian doesn't add up to much.

The Bible and the history of the Romans?

@fmf said
On one hand, you have the Bible, and on the other, you have the history of the Roman Empire. So I don't see how my statement can be described as "bogus".

There's no Roman record of Christ's execution.

The description of events we have features the local ethnarch executing Christ under his authority.

@philokalia said
There's no Roman record of Christ's execution.

The description of events we have features the local ethnarch executing Christ under his authority.

We know what the Romans executed people for and how, and we know what Jews executed people for and how.

@secondson said
"Jesus died because he was executed by the Romans for sedition."

That's a bogus statement. Substantiate it with any historical record if you can.

Apparently your knowledge of the scriptures after so many years of thinking you were a Christian doesn't add up to much.

Well, according to Christian texts, the Romans crucified Jesus. According to the historical records of that era, with the Romans, execution by crucifixion was carried out for political crimes such as treason and sedition. The Romans used crucifixion as a political weapon that sent a clear message to those living in the areas they occupied. If he had been found guilty of a religious crime, it would have been a Jewish matter and he would have been stoned to death. That was the Jewish form of execution. By contrast, crucifixion was the Roman method of punishment. The Jews did not crucify people.

@fmf said
Well, according to Christian texts, the Romans crucified Jesus. According to the historical records of that era, with the Romans, execution by crucifixion was carried out for political crimes such as treason and sedition. The Romans used crucifixion as a political weapon that sent a clear message to those living in the areas they occupied. If he had been found guilty of a religio ...[text shortened]... ution. By contrast, crucifixion was the Roman method of punishment. The Jews did not crucify people.

That reminds me.

I just got down reading Psalms 22:16.

16 Dogs surround me, a pack of villains encircles me; they pierce my hands and my feet.

Prophesy about the coming crucifixion of Christ, only, Roman crucifixion had not been invented when this was written.

Astounding!

@whodey said
That reminds me.

I just got down reading Psalms 22:16.

16 Dogs surround me, a pack of villains encircles me; they pierce my hands and my feet.

Prophesy about the coming crucifixion of Christ, only, Roman crucifixion had not been invented when this was written.

Astounding!

The oldest copy of the Psalms in existence was produced - by hand - hundreds and hundreds of years after Jesus was executed. Crucifixion, as a method of execution, pre-dates Jesus by hundreds of years.