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    03 Aug '20 20:58
    @divegeester said
    Did Jehovah directly tell you that @beauroberts was a liar?
    Nope. He sent me an email.
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    @galveston75 said
    Nope. He sent me an email.
    Your evasive flippancy is noted and is indicative that you have nothing of substance to offer to either back up your claims about Jehovah giving you direction, or you can respond to questions about your appalling treatment of @beauroberts.
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    @galveston75 said
    Would a Catholic defend their belief?
    If a Catholic defended the cover-up of sex abuse by the church, for example, or claimed to be unaware of any child sex abuse, or dismissed evidence of child sex abuse, or claimed not to remember being shown any evidence of child sex abuse, or if smeared and attempted to discredit victims of child sex abuse, then that would cultist behaviour.

    The same would go for things like JWs letting children die for want of medical treatment in order to appease their God figure, or bullying and/or discrediting an ex-JW like beauroberts for dissent or criticism that is perceived as a threat to the cult.
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    @divegeester said
    Would you like to see the thread...?
    Why not show us the whole file you have on him?
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    @suzianne said
    Why not show us the whole file you have on him?
    The thread being referred to was active only a few weeks ago.

    Talking about the ostracization and smearing of beauroberts by galveston75 and robbie carrobie, here in public, is on-topic.

    It's interesting that you are trying to run interference for galveston75.
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    @suzianne said
    Why not show us the whole file you have on him?
    When questioned about his behaviour towards another rhp member, @beauroberts, Galveston75 claimed (in this thread) that Jehovah tells him who to shun.

    You actually replied to him asking: “So, "Jehovah" tells you who to shun?” And he replied: “Yes Jehovah answers thru prayer”.

    If you believe that Galveston75 prayed to Jehovah, your God, and received authorisation to treat @beauroberts the way he did then just say so.

    Or if you prefer to allow your principle in this matter to go by the wayside in favour of a cheap shot at me, because you don’t like me very much, then so be it.
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    04 Aug '20 15:36
    Some of you will get more then mad at me for posting this much. Tuff. If you are not interested in what the Bible says, don't read it. If you are then look up the scriptures.
    We follow the Bible to the letter. The scriptures and examples the bible gives are here to back up our stand on ones who sin the type of sins the scriptures speak of and is unrepentant and cause damage to the congregations.
    Either you do as the bible says or your not. You have no permission from Jehovah to pick and choose what fits your life style............


    EXPELLING

    The judicial excommunication, or disfellowshipping, of delinquents from membership and association in a community or organization. With religious societies it is a principle and a right inherent in them and is analogous to the powers of capital punishment, banishment, and exclusion from membership that are exercised by political and municipal bodies. In the congregation of God it is exercised to maintain the purity of the organization doctrinally and morally. The exercise of this power is necessary to the continued existence of the organization and particularly so the Christian congregation. The congregation must remain clean and maintain God’s favor in order to be used by him and to represent him. Otherwise, God would expel or cut off the entire congregation.​—Re 2:5; 1Co 5:5, 6.

    Jehovah’s Action. Jehovah God took expelling, or disfellowshipping, action in numerous instances. He sentenced Adam to death and drove him and his wife Eve out of the garden of Eden. (Ge 3:19, 23, 24) Cain was banished and became a wanderer and a fugitive in the earth. (Ge 4:11, 14, 16) The angels that sinned were thrown into Tartarus, a condition of dense darkness in which they are reserved for judgment. (2Pe 2:4) Twenty-three thousand fornicators were cut off from Israel in one day. (1Co 10:8) Achan was put to death at Jehovah’s command for stealing that which was devoted to Jehovah. (Jos 7:15, 20, 21, 25) Korah the Levite along with Dathan and Abiram of the tribe of Reuben were cut off for rebellion, and Miriam was stricken with leprosy and eventually might have died in that condition if Moses had not pleaded for her. As it was, she was expelled from the camp of Israel under quarantine seven days.​—Nu 16:27, 32, 33, 35; 12:10, 13-15.

    Under the Mosaic Law. For serious or deliberate violations of God’s law given through Moses a person could be cut off, that is, put to death. (Le 7:27; Nu 15:30, 31) Apostasy, idolatry, adultery, eating blood, and murder were among the offenses carrying this penalty.​—De 13:12-18; Le 20:10; 17:14; Nu 35:31.

    Under the Law, for the penalty of cutting off to be carried out, evidence had to be established at the mouth of at least two witnesses. (De 19:15) These witnesses were required to be the first to stone the guilty one. (De 17:7) This would demonstrate their zeal for God’s law and the purity of the congregation of Israel and would also be a deterrent to false, careless, or hasty testimony.

    The Sanhedrin and synagogues. During Jesus’ earthly ministry the synagogues served as courts for trying violators of Jewish law. The Sanhedrin was the highest court. Under Roman rule the Jews did not have the latitude of authority that they had enjoyed under theocratic government. Even when the Sanhedrin judged someone deserving of death, they could not always administer the death penalty, because of restrictions by the Romans. The Jewish synagogues had a system of excommunication, or disfellowshipping, that had three steps or three names. The first step was the penalty of nid·duyʹ, which was for a relatively short time, initially only 30 days. A person under this penalty was prohibited from enjoying certain privileges. He could go to the temple, but there he was restricted in certain ways, and all besides his own family were commanded to stay at a distance of 4 cubits (c. 2 m; 6 ft) from him. The second step was cheʹrem, meaning something devoted to God or banned. This was a more severe judgment. The offender could not teach or be taught in the company of others, nor could he perform any commercial transactions beyond purchasing the necessities of life. However, he was not altogether cast out of the Jewish organization, and there was a chance for him to come back. Finally, there was sham·mat·taʼʹ, an entire cutting off from the congregation. Some believe the last two forms of excommunication were undistinguishable from each other.

    One who was cast out as wicked, cut off entirely, would be considered worthy of death, though the Jews might not have the authority to execute such a one. Nevertheless, the form of cutting off they did employ was a very powerful weapon in the Jewish community. Jesus foretold that his followers would be expelled from the synagogues. (Joh 16:2) Fear of being expelled, or “unchurched,” kept some of the Jews, even the rulers, from confessing Jesus. (Joh 9:22, ftn; 12:42) An example of such action by the synagogue was the case of the healed blind man who spoke favorably of Jesus.​—Joh 9:34.

    During the time of his earthly ministry, Jesus gave instructions as to the procedure to follow if a serious sin was committed against a person and yet the sin was of such a nature that, if properly settled, it did not need to involve the Jewish congregation. (Mt 18:15-17) He encouraged earnest effort to help the wrongdoer, while also safeguarding that congregation against persistent sinners. The only congregation of God in existence then was the congregation of Israel. ‘Speaking to the congregation’ did not mean that the entire nation or even all the Jews in a given community sat in judgment on the offender. There were older men of the Jews that were charged with this responsibility. (Mt 5:22) Offenders who refused to listen even to these responsible ones were to be viewed “just as a man of the nations and as a tax collector,” association with whom was shunned by the Jews.​—Compare Ac 10:28.

    Christian Congregation. Based on the principles of the Hebrew Scriptures, the Christian Greek Scriptures by command and precedent authorize expulsion, or disfellowshipping, from the Christian congregation. By exercising this God-given authority, the congregation keeps itself clean and in good standing before God. The apostle Paul, with the authority vested in him, ordered the expulsion of an incestuous fornicator who had taken his father’s wife. (1Co 5:5, 11, 13) He also exercised disfellowshipping authority against Hymenaeus and Alexander. (1Ti 1:19, 20) Diotrephes, however, was apparently trying to exercise disfellowshipping action wrongly.​—3Jo 9, 10.

    Some of the offenses that could merit disfellowshipping from the Christian congregation are fornication, adultery, homosexuality, greed, extortion, thievery, lying, drunkenness, reviling, spiritism, murder, idolatry, apostasy, and the causing of divisions in the congregation. (1Co 5:9-13; 6:9, 10; Tit 3:10, 11; Re 21:8) Mercifully, one promoting a sect is warned a first and a second time before such disfellowshipping action is taken against him. In the Christian congregation, the principle enunciated in the Law applies, namely, that two or three witnesses must establish evidence against the accused one. (1Ti 5:19) Those who have been convicted of a practice of sin are reproved Scripturally before the “onlookers,” for example, those who testified concerning the sinful conduct, so that they too may all have a healthy fear of such sin.​—1Ti 5:20; see REPROOF.

    The Christian congregation is also admonished by Scripture to stop socializing with those who are disorderly and not walking correctly but who are not deemed deserving of complete expulsion. Paul wrote the Thessalonian congregation concerning such: “Stop associating with him, that he may become ashamed. And yet do not be considering him as an enemy, but continue admonishing him as a brother.”​—2Th 3:6, 11, 13-15.

    However, regarding any who were Christians but later repudiated the Christian congregation or were expelled from it, the apostle Paul commanded: “Quit mixing in company with” such a one; and the apostle John wrote: “Never receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him.”​—1Co 5:11; 2Jo 9, 10.

    Those who have been expelled may be received back into the congregation if they manifest sincere repentance. (2Co 2:5-8) This also is a protection to the congregation, preventing it from being overreached by Satan in swinging from condoning wrongdoing to the other extreme, becoming harsh and unforgiving.​—2Co 2:10, 11.
    "Insight on the Scriptures, Volume 1"
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    @galveston75 said
    Some of you will get more then mad at me for posting this much. Tuff. If you are not interested in what the Bible says, don't read it. If you are then look up the scriptures.
    We follow the Bible to the letter. The scriptures and examples the bible gives are here to back up our stand on ones who sin the type of sins the scriptures speak of and is unrepentant and cause da ...[text shortened]... her extreme, becoming harsh and unforgiving.​—2Co 2:10, 11.
    "Insight on the Scriptures, Volume 1"
    Are you happy that beauroberts' wife is still alive?
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    @fmf said
    Are you happy that beauroberts' wife is still alive?
    Such a stupid question....
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    @divegeester said
    When questioned about his behaviour towards another rhp member, @beauroberts, Galveston75 claimed (in this thread) that Jehovah tells him who to shun.

    You actually replied to him asking: “So, "Jehovah" tells you who to shun?” And he replied: “Yes Jehovah answers thru prayer”.

    If you believe that Galveston75 prayed to Jehovah, your God, and received authorisation to ...[text shortened]... by the wayside in favour of a cheap shot at me, because you don’t like me very much, then so be it.
    I'd thank you to untwist your panties before unloading on me.
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    @galveston75 said
    Such a stupid question....
    It’s a concise, perfectly laser focused, spot on topic, pulling back the curtain question which has been asked of you several times and which you refuse to answer.

    Why is that?
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    @suzianne said
    I'd thank you to untwist your panties before unloading on me.
    I think I captured your usual unprincipled posting quite nicely.
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    @divegeester said
    It’s a concise, perfectly laser focused, spot on topic, pulling back the curtain question which has been asked of you several times and which you refuse to answer.

    Why is that?
    No matter what I'd answer, even with scriptures, with your lack of spiritual understanding with the easiest of issues much less the harder things, you'd still not get it just as your buddy FMF does not get it or he wouldn't ask such a dumb question.
    But out of curiosity on my part to see your response, yes I'm glad she is still alive for the sake of her family and all that love her. If I had my way we would all never die and be past Armageddon and into the new world Jehovah has promised all humans if they only do as he ask. But most won't. The bible clearly says that sadly most will die at Armageddon. That is in your bible.
    Now if she had stayed faithful to Jehovah and his command about blood, she may have died. But that would be only temporary as Jehovah promises to resurrect her after Armageddon and she would be reunited with her husband and family that might be there after her resurrection. You as a so called Christian should know that but apparently don't.
    So perhaps you should learn a lot more about the Bible and of Jehovah before you judge or condemn me. If you knew more about the Bible we would not be having this discussion.
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    @galveston75 said
    Now if she had stayed faithful to Jehovah and his command about blood, she may have died. But that would be only temporary as Jehovah promises to resurrect her after Armageddon and she would be reunited with her husband and family that might be there after her resurrection.
    Would your leadership (or you yourself) advise @beauRoberts that he will now NOT see his wife at the resurrection because of them taking blood?
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    @divegeester said
    Would your leadership (or you yourself) advise @beauRoberts that he will now NOT see his wife at the resurrection because of them taking blood?
    Did she die?
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