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@sonship saidA man whose is sinking in an ocean of false doctrines leading to damnation, is here obsessed with trivialities about what happens to the Devil and his angels.
I'm all ears.
@sonship saidA man whose is sinking in an ocean of false doctrines leading to damnation, is here obsessed with trivialities about what happens to the Devil and his angels.
I'm all ears.
A man whose is sinking in an ocean of false doctrines leading to damnation, is here obsessed with trivialities about what happens to the Devil and his angels.
@sonship saidWrong on every count. You cannot even see what is going on around you. How can you be so blind. Eloquent and expressive? Wrong. What I do is simply repeat the teachings of Christ. I quote them exactly, I make no interpretation, I do not try to twist the meaning of a word to force it to mean something else, like what you are trying in vain to do here with the word 'perish'.
@Rajk999A man whose is sinking in an ocean of false doctrines leading to damnation, is here obsessed with trivialities about what happens to the Devil and his angels.
Yea, Yea Rajk999!! You're very eloquent. Very expressive.
. I quote them exactly, I make no interpretation, I do not try to twist the meaning of a word to force it to mean something else, like what you are trying in vain to do here with the word 'perish'.
I dont need to prove or 'take on',' head on' your nonsense.
@rajk999 saidPitiful.
Enoch is a good book to read. So is the Gospel of Thomas. Around 12 books were removed from the Septuagint. Just read them yourself and you will see times when people tell you something and because they read only Paul's teachings their understanding is limited. Makes you laugh. This thread and the one who started it is a good example of how a petty mind struggles with basic concepts.
@medullah saidHe believes 'perish' means punished but still given 'eternal life'. This is the essence of the 'once saved always saved doctrine promoted by sonship and several others here. They say they are saved, they have eternal life and its permanent.
It's funny, all the tangents that you can go off to from a simple debate around the meaning of the word "Perish".
Anyway, I don see how when you are told that you will Perish it means that you can get a resurrection, sorry Son.
It's funny, all the tangents that you can go off to from a simple debate around the meaning of the word "Perish".
Anyway, I don see how when you are told that you will Perish it means that you can get a resurrection, sorry Son.
@sonship saidOh, the irony.
I hit the bull's eye, you ignore it, you add an additional grumpy denunciation of me personally.
@sonship saidThis is balderdash, sonship. And you know it. You are sounding like a retail politician.
I approached this thread as a honest questioner, dropping preconceptions and even asking for help to answer the OP's question. Not that it was easy to drop preconceptions. After all I have been studying for a long time. But I tried.
Considering some criticisms here on the forum I have recently come to this verse seriously asking myself this question. Why couldn't Jesus have simply meant here "would not perish" means "would not DIE" ?
[My interpretations of the NT are not infallible.]
@sonship saidRE: "Don't tell me that you only quote Scripture and don't interpret because you're mistaking yourself for the person you'd like to think you are."
@Rajk999. I quote them exactly, I make no interpretation, I do not try to twist the meaning of a word to force it to mean something else, like what you are trying in vain to do here with the word 'perish'.
I started this thread to reason step by step in a perfectly rationale way, WHAT could be meant in John 3:16 by "perish"?
I hav ...[text shortened]... re and don't interpret because you're mistaking yourself for the person you'd like to think you are.