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@kellyjay saidThe person in revelation who is described as overseeing in his presence the burning alive of billions of people?
Who do you think Jesus is?
@kellyjay saidThe person in revelation who is described as overseeing in his presence the burning alive of billions of people?
Who do you think Jesus is?
@kellyjay saidJust when I thought we'd heard the last of C.S. Lewis when GB stopped posting.
“If there was a controlling power outside the universe, it could not show itself to us as one of the facts inside the universe -no more than the architect of a house could actually be a wall or staircase or fireplace in that house. The only way in which we could expect it to show itself would be inside us as an influence or a command trying to get us to behave in a certain way. And that's just what we do find inside us.”
― C.S. Lewis, The Case for Christianity
@kellyjay saidI find it an extremely bad analogy.
I believe that you will see that he was referring to the house. Without an encounter with the builder/creator, you only see the work, not the builder/creator. You can read Tolkien and not find him in his writings.
@suzianne saidYou can test for Frank Lloyd Wright or simply see patterns of his style?
I find it an extremely bad analogy.
Any student of architecture (as I was, for a time) can easily see Frank Lloyd Wright in all of his creations.
@kellyjay saidNo more than you can test for a divine creator...
You can test for Frank Lloyd Wright or simply see patterns of his style?
@suzianne saidOr a painter from the painting. Especially those with more distinctive styles.
I find it an extremely bad analogy.
Any student of architecture (as I was, for a time) can easily see Frank Lloyd Wright in all of his creations.
@suzianne saidAnd yet you never once complained when GB quoted him....
Just when I thought we'd heard the last of C.S. Lewis when GB stopped posting.
@divegeester saidWould it have had any effect?
And yet you never once complained when GB quoted him....
Interesting.
@suzianne saidThe effect might have been an interesting debate and discussion about the shortcomings of C.S. Lewis.
Would it have had any effect?
@suzianne saidWhy have you treated KellyJay's quoting of C.S. Lewis differently?
Look, as it was, too many people on this forum put a target on his back. I was comfortable agreeing to disagree with him.
@bigdoggproblem saidWith the exception of us in the universe since we were made in the image of God, there is a divine nature to us, fallen but there nonetheless. We can communicate with God in prayer, prompted to walk this way and not that. What we cannot do is look at the sky, the water, the earth, fire, stars, rocks, cows, rabbits, goats, trees, flowers and find God only His handy work.
Oh, I see. I misread OP. My bad.
The example is still a little weird, since Christianity also wants us to listen to other apostles and prophets. Those guys aren't just "bits of the wall", are they?
I think Tolkein did well to leave religious allegory out of LOTR. Made it more of a "different" world. that being said, Tolkein was a devout Christian. It would be a mistake to judge him less sincere than Lewis because of this one artistic choice.
@hakima saidOur tests are limited to the playing in and with the universe itself, our seeking God personally since He is a personal God, is something beyond the realm of the material world.
No more than you can test for a divine creator...
@suzianne saidI love Lewis.
Just when I thought we'd heard the last of C.S. Lewis when GB stopped posting.
@kellyjay saidWell, you must have looked into the criticism of his writing on Christianity.
I love Lewis.
There something about him or some of the things he said you dislike?
@kellyjay saidAll supernatural beings perceived and worshipped by humans are beyond the realm of the material world.
Our tests are limited to the playing in and with the universe itself, our seeking God personally since He is a personal God, is something beyond the realm of the material world.