Beware the writings of the Watchman

@sonship said
@Ghost-of-a-Duke

I have no further comment on your critic's problems with this book.

The Ministry of God's Word.

The last post contained my own views based on direct reading of Nee's work. (Not the Critics).

Sorry if this has flummoxed you sonship.

I (Ghost) have gone directly to the source here (The Ministry of God's Word)
and on page 219 Nee writes:

'As was mentioned earlier, a minister of the word must be attentive to four things.
Two of these come from God: enlightenment and inward words. Two come from the minister himself: thought and memory. Moreover, in the process of speaking he is in need of two more things: a usable feeling and a usable spirit.'


So as you see, the 'usable feeling' comes from the Minister himself, from the raw fallen emotions of the natural man. (Again, a Ghostly observation).


Nee continues. 'One thing worth noticing is that whether or not the spirit is able to come forth is often determined by our feeling. If man’s feeling is unusable his spirit has no way of flowing freely. The outflowing of man’s spirit depends not so much on his will or on his mind as upon his emotions, for the spirit flows mainly
through the channel of the feelings.'

@Ghost-of-a-Duke

Sorry if this has flummoxed you sonship.

I am not "flummoxed" if that means kind of "stumped" or frustrated.
And I doubt that your "sorry" is genuine if I was.

I have no further comment on your bewilderment or problems with that book.

@sonship said
@Ghost-of-a-Duke

Sorry if this has flummoxed you sonship.

I am not "flummoxed" if that means kind of "stumped" or frustrated.
And I doubt that your "sorry" is genuine if I was.

I have no further comment on your bewilderment or problems with that book.

Yes, I know.

I realized passages from Nee's book 'The Ministry of God's Word' would be problematic for you when you were quick to point out you hadn't finished reading it and how there might be translation issues.

The book makes it clear that, according to Nee, man needs to bring emotion to scripture, something you have yourself denied.


This thread was intended to explore alternative views on Watchman Nee, so it really doesn't matter if you don't want to discuss it. We already know your views.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
so it really doesn't matter if you don't want to discuss it. We already know your views.

There is a trend, an attitude, in this forum by certain individuals to ignore threads, posts. They seem to think it is somehow smart or edifying.

@Ghost-of-a-Duke

The book makes it clear that, according to Nee, man needs to bring emotion to scripture, something you have yourself denied.

I never said don't bring emotions to Scripture.

All I said was something about the soul - mind, emotion, will being renewed to serve the Lord well in the ministry of the Word.

Given a turkey dinner no one can stop someone from hunting for bones to choke on. You're hunting for things to turn you off to Nee's ministry.

Basically you're turned off because you want to be turned off.
You need to hunt for other superficial people to rationalize your desire to be turned off.

Get some education. Even from Wiki

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchman_Nee

@ghost-of-a-duke said
This thread was intended to explore alternative views on Watchman Nee, so it really doesn't matter if you don't want to discuss it. We already know your views.

Well done.

@Ghost-of-a-Duke

What did you think of Watchman's suggestion of 28 ways to study the Bible in the face of the charge that he proposed no methodology? "Business as usual" reliance on such a phony ?

From How To Study the Bible Watchman Nee

VARIOUS PLANS FOR STUDYING THE BIBLE
...
Without a plan, we cannot reap great benefit from our reading. From different sources, we have gathered twenty-eight different plans for studying the Scriptures.

Nee suggest topics to guide your study:
1.) Main Characters
2.) Women
3.) Types
4.) Prophecies
5.) Dispensations
6.) Topics
7.) God's Relationship with Man
8.) Chronologically
9.) Numbers
10.) Parables
11.) Miracles
12.) The Lord's Teaching on Earth
13.) Comparing the Four Gospels
14.) Crucial Chapters
15.) Past, Present, and Future
16.) Salvation, Sanctification, and Ministry
17.) Minerals
18.) Geography
19.) Names of Persons
20.) Choruses
21.) Prayers
22.) Difficult Passages
23.) Book by Book
24.) In-Depth Study of a Few Books
25.) Christ
26.) Word-Study
27.) Doctrines
28.) The Progression of Doctrines

Go back to your slandering spreader of misinformation and let your trusted source know that he is IGNORANT of the subject he poses to be expert on.

Nee outlines no method of Bible study and interpretation and appears to deny evangelical hermeneutics.

http://www.apologeticsindex.org

Then again you could keep relying on him for information about Watchman Nee if you want to sweep integrity under the rug.

@sonship said
Then again you could keep relying on him for information about Watchman Nee if you want to sweep integrity under the rug.

Do you think you display "integrity" and Ghost of a Duke doesn't?

@FMF

Do you think this statement is true concerning Watchman Nee?

Nee outlines no method of Bible study and interpretation and appears to deny evangelical hermeneutics.

You said to him "Well done".
And if Ghost is doing so well, then you he doesn't need you to step in to help him.

The lie:

Nee outlines no method of Bible study and interpretation and appears to deny evangelical hermeneutics.

One detailed outline from Watchman Nee recommended from How To Study the Bible.

A brother once studied the word calling. He put several dozen verses together and grouped them into ten sections. For illustration, I will list them in the following sections:

Section One—The source of our calling:

1.) The primary source—God (1 Thes. 2:12).
2.) The intermediary source—Jesus Christ (Rom. 1:6).

Section Two—The called ones:

1.) Scope (general)—all men (1 Cor. 1:24).
2.) Scope (spiritual)—sinners (Luke 5:32).
3.) God's valuation—vessels of mercy (Rom. 9:23-24).
4.) Actual condition—not many who are wise (1 Cor. 1:26).

Section Three—The goal of our calling:

1.) Repentance (Luke 5:32).
2.) Salvation (2 Thes. 2:13-14).
3.) Peace (Col. 3:15).
4.) Light (1 Pet. 2:9).
5.) Fellowship (1 Cor. 1:9).
6.) Service (Rom. 1:1).
7.) Freedom (Gal. 5:13).
8.) Holiness (1 Cor. 1:2).
9.) Suffering (1 Pet. 2:21).
10.) Eternal life (1 Tim. 6:12).
11.) Eternal inheritance (Heb. 9:15).
12.) Eternal glory (1 Pet. 5:10).

Section Four—The principle of calling:

1.) According to God's plan (Rom. 8:28).
2.) According to God's grace (2 Tim. 1:9).
3.) Not according to man's merit (2 Tim. 1:9).

Section Five—The sphere of our calling:

5.) In the Lord (1 Cor. 7:22).
6.) In grace (Gal. 1:6).
7.) In peace (1 Cor. 7:15).
8.) In sanctification (1 Thes. 4:7).
I9.) In one Body (Col. 3:15).

Section Six—The way we are called:

1.) Through the gospel (2 Thes. 2:14).
2.) Through God's grace (Gal. 1:15).
3.) Through God's glory (2 Pet. 1:3).
4.) Through the divine nature (2 Pet. 1:3).

Section Seven—The nature of our calling:

1.) Holy (2 Tim. 1:9).
2.) From above (Phil. 3:14).
3.) Heavenly (Heb. 3:1).
4.) Humble (1 Cor. 1:26).

Section Eight—The requirements for our calling:

1.) Remaining in it (1 Cor. 7:20, 24).
2.) Walking according to it (1 Cor. 7:17).
3.) Counted worthy of it (Eph. 4:1).
4.) Counted worthy of the God who calls us (1 Thes. 2:12).
5.) Being diligent (2 Pet. 1:10).

Section Nine—The encouragement of our calling:

1.) Hope (Eph. 1:18; 4:4).
2.) Reward (Phil. 3:14).

Section Ten—The guarantee of our calling:

1.) God's nature—faithfulness (1 Cor. 1:9; 1 Thes. 5:24).
2.) God's plan (Rom. 8:30).
3.) God's grace (Rom. 11:29).

https://www.ministrybooks.org/books.cfm?n

I'll try again. sonship, do you think you display "integrity" and Ghost of a Duke doesn't?

@sonship said

I never said don't bring emotions to Scripture.

All I said was something about the soul - mind, emotion, will being renewed to serve the Lord well in the ministry of the Word.

Nonsense. you said, 'I would not for a SECOND assume that Watchman Nee was speaking of us doing something in the raw fallen emotions of the natural man.'

But in The Ministry of God's Word (which you appear a little ashamed of) Nee makes it quite clear that such raw emotion should be brought to scripture.

@sonship said
You said to him "Well done".

Yes, I said "Well done" to Ghost of a Duke. I think, on more than one level, he has exposed you and your cult's/sect's ideology in an interesting way. This has been a more-interesting-than-usual bit of forum activity involving you, so I say "Well done" to Ghost of a Duke. Did you not want me to?

@fmf said
Yes, I said "Well done" to Ghost of a Duke. I think, on more than one level, he has exposed you and your cult's/sect's ideology in an interesting way. This has been a more-interesting-than-usual bit of forum activity involving you, so I say "Well done" to Ghost of a Duke. Did you not want me to?

I also found this to be a very interesting interchange.

The reason why I stopped reading "The Spiritual Man" back in the 80s, was that what he calls my "soul", that is emotions, intellect and will, are so corrupt that I wasn't even supposed to enjoy Beethoven's Fifth.

But the passages that Ghost referenced showed again the contradiction in WL's view of the soul.