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Originally posted by LemonJelloThat's better, thanks.
As far as I can tell, twhitehead's concern was regarding whether or not you "really" believe that P (P = there is life after death, e.g. ) because it seemed to him that you are not properly responsive to implications of P. You do at least understand the concern here? Propositions have logical implications. Generally speaking, for the sake of rationalit ...[text shortened]... obvious that one ought to believe Q, even if, in fact, one believes both P and that P implies Q.
I'd say I was probably in category 4. But I'm not sure.
The nature of the relationship between faith and beliefs is very interesting and I think forms part of my argument with the jws.
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Originally posted by PudgenikSo a compassionate atheist is a real Christian?
Yes, being compassionate is what demistates it is to be a real Christian.
The whole of scripture teaches this too.
It is what Jesus tryed to show us is stories like the Good Samaritan. It is what Paul teaches in all of his letters.
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But he that does what is true comes to the light, in order that his works may be made manifest as having been worked in harmony with God - John 3:20
This would perhaps go some way to explaining the reluctance of certain professed Christians in divulging to others just what their works are, for it is clear that when someone is conscientiously doing a work that is worked in harmony with God he has no problem in making that work manifest, but as the proceeding verse states,
he that practices vile things hates the light and does not come to the light, in order that his works may not be reproved - John 3:19
Why are they afraid of coming to the light and having their works made manifest? Instead we are treated to the usual insipid platitudes of, its none of your business, mind your own business, Jesus this and Jesus that etc etc If the work was truly in harmony with God it should not be a problem to have it made manifest but it seems that our friends reluctance stems from a deep seated knowledge that perhaps their works, if they exist at all, fall short of that requirement and thus they resist less they be reproved by the light of Gods word. Yet ironically they seem strangely adept at criticizing the works of others even though these are manifest and in harmony with Gods perceived will.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieI think you would do better to focus on your own ineffectual ministry and why you personally have only attracted 2 (validation required) people into your cult in 20 years. If you were in one of my sales teams I'd fire your useless ass.
But he that does what is true comes to the light, in order that his works may be made manifest as having been worked in harmony with God - John 3:20
This would perhaps go some way to explaining the reluctance of certain professed Christians in divulging to others just what their works are, for it is clear that when someone is conscientiously doing ...[text shortened]... zing the works of others even though these are manifest and in harmony with Gods perceived will.
17 Jul 14
Originally posted by divegeesterMy opinion of that is God does not care about labels: atheist, Christian, Jew, Gentile etc. Gods only interest is how we live. In explaining to the Jews that they are not superior Paul said:
So a compassionate atheist is a real Christian?
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. (Romans 2:28-29 KJV)
The modern day Christian is in a similar position to the Jews of old. Christians of today think they are special by virtue of their monopoly on Christ, but the inward man is what is important to God.
17 Jul 14
Originally posted by divegeesterWell the thread you started was asking "Am I a real Christian" which I'm sure the question was directed to you or about you. From what I've posted from the Bible which was actually a small sampling of the requirements written there, to you personally I see you have no qulifications at all.
I think you would do better to focus on your own ineffectual ministry and why you personally have only attracted 2 (validation required) people into your cult in 20 years. If you were in one of my sales teams I'd fire your useless ass.
You have never demonstrated any of the requirements one bit, but instead the impression you give to us all is your more border line antichrist with all your demeaning comments to anyone who is in fact doing their best to meet those commands and the end result of doing this work Jesus said to do is to educate all that are looking for the love and guidance that Jesus is willing to give. Your entire attitude is just the opposite and that is to turn everyones back on Jesus.
I could care less whether you aprove of us at all in our daily commitment to our work of teaching the bible.
You should be more then ashamed of even slightly calling yourself a christian or whatever it is you think you are. Good day.
17 Jul 14
Originally posted by robbie carrobieAs Jesus said unto the Pharisees, "Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites?"
But he that does what is true comes to the light, in order that his works may be made manifest as having been worked in harmony with God - John 3:20
This would perhaps go some way to explaining the reluctance of certain professed Christians in divulging to others just what their works are, for it is clear that when someone is conscientiously doing ...[text shortened]... zing the works of others even though these are manifest and in harmony with Gods perceived will.
17 Jul 14
Originally posted by galveston75Do not tempt me, do not assume my works, do not attempt to discredit my works even before you hear of them.
Fair enough. We all answer to God for our lifes. But still curious as to what this calling is and where you recieved it from. Are you the only one who's recieved this?
And yes many do their thing for what glory they can get out of it or condemn others who they think have not recieved this special attention so to say. I ahvea few relatives who fit tha ...[text shortened]... be eligable to recieve those benifits.
I boast of nothing but try to be humble in all things.
Did you read the passage? Then you have heard my works. Why do you still ask from whence I received this calling? Am I the only one? In this thread, apparently so. Are they somehow not good enough for you? They are good enough for my Lord, how are you so much better than He?
You say you boast of nothing. Perhaps you could get your friend to the point where he can say the same. It seems he cannot stop boasting and has now graduated to discrediting the works of others. From where did he receive that calling?
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Originally posted by Rajk999That broadens my perspective on what you believe, thanks.
My opinion of that is God does not care about labels: atheist, Christian, Jew, Gentile etc. Gods only interest is how we live. In explaining to the Jews that they are not superior Paul said:
[i]For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision ...[text shortened]... e special by virtue of their monopoly on Christ, but the inward man is what is important to God.
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Originally posted by galveston75For two people who "could care less" about what I post, you certainly go to extreme lengthy measures to demonstrate the opposite. I.e. Previously Robbie replies to you, but is addressing his point to me, but he had already made a covenant (or some other weird self-serving commitment) not to talk to me so his post is addressed to you...
Well the thread you started was asking "Am I a real Christian" which I'm sure the question was directed to you or about you. From what I've posted from the Bible which was actually a small sampling of the requirements written there, to you personally I see you have no qulifications at all.
You have never demonstrated any of the requirements one bit, bu ...[text shortened]... ed of even slightly calling yourself a christian or whatever it is you think you are. Good day.
Then you, reply to me on his behalf (because he is still being a twat), in some sort of lameo defence.
You guys are the best evidence that the Jehovah's Witness organisation is the most single most fu**-up religious organisation in the world.
17 Jul 14
Originally posted by SuzianneYou are taking my questioning completely wrong. I mean no harm at all but simply curious as I'm just wanting to learn and understand your beliefs.
Do not tempt me, do not assume my works, do not attempt to discredit my works even before you hear of them.
Did you read the passage? Then you have heard my works. Why do you still ask from whence I received this calling? Am I the only one? In this thread, apparently so. Are they somehow not good enough for you? They are good enough for my Lord, ho ...[text shortened]... w graduated to discrediting the works of others. From where did he receive that calling?