@josephw said
Dead to God.
Separated by sin from God.
A dead spirit cannot have a relationship with God.
Dead to God.
Separated by sin from God.
A dead spirit cannot have a relationship with God.
The one with a dead spirit says he doesn't know God exists.
He doesn't know God.
He doesn't hear God's voice.
This sounds like preaching-to-the-choir messaging.
It doesn't sound like you are promoting your religion.
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@josephw saidThis sounds like an SNL mockery of Christianity.
The one with a dead spirit says he doesn't know God exists.
He doesn't know God.
He doesn't hear God's voice.
@kevin-eleven saidBlurt.
This sounds like an SNL mockery of Christianity.
Anything of substance to say?
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How many people have you coerced anyone into believing in Jesus by using threats/warnings about divine punishment?
I have devoted pages and pages and more pages over the years here in portraying the beauty and attractiveness of the Son of God. That is that He is precious just for Who He is. Yes, I have spoken to the matter of eternal judgment (one of a favorite topic of a certain poster or two).
Many threads started by me or lines of reasoning and explaining by me have been on God's eternal purpose or the sheer preciousness, attractveness, and worth of Christ.
I would consider it your caricature that coercion and threat have been my main subject here. While I don't shy away from the real presence of the factor of justification from condemnation and judgment, you know many paragraphs I wrote focusing on we should want Jesus not for what He does but for Himself. Nothing can compete with Him in preciousness. We can love Him just for Who He is.
It is your effort to counter this by insisting that all you see is a threatening monster. If you can convince yourself that there is nothing to Christ but ugliness, bullying, and coercive threatening you are justified in not wanting such a monster.
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I asked you what is your MAIN reason for not believing in Christ.
You said it was something else.
However, I notice how often you gravitate back to the issue of God's judgment (in spite of His salvation). I can't help but getting the impression this comes up again and again because it is the biggest sticking put you have about the Bible - God is able to enforce His punishment to the uttermost.
That He went to the uttermost that we would be justified is not considered nearly as seriously that He is able to enforce judgment impossible for us to circumvent.
You gravitate back again and again to concept of the Bible mainly or solely being a threat.
I have seen people come to Christ for salvation for many reasons.
It is a caricature of evangelism to portary the only message of the Gospel is one of
coercion by threat.
Perhaps this matter is REALLY the topmost point of distaste and resentment you hold towards the Bible. You should be honest about it if I'm right. Not to me necessarily but to God. But the implausibility of the supernatural may not be your main objection.
But more like someone arguing "God, I just hate it that I would not be able to get away from your condemnation being enforced upon me."
Isn't implausibility of the supernatural kind of secondary to dislike for the thought of not being able to avoid God's enforcement of judgment upon the sinner?
@sonship saidAnd yet the only thing you have ever referred to as the "perfect" morality has been the torture in burning flames for eternity of non-believers/unforgiven.
Many threads started by me or lines of reasoning and explaining by me have been on God's eternal purpose or the sheer preciousness, attractveness, and worth of Christ.
@sonship saidThe moral incoherence of your torturer God theology is certainly an interesting point to discuss, but the primary reason I don't subscribe to your religion is that I don't find the Bible a convincing source to substantiate the claims Christians make about [1] the identity and significance of Christ, and the claims they make about [2] themselves.
Isn't implausibility of the supernatural kind of secondary to dislike for the thought of not being able to avoid God's enforcement of judgment upon the sinner?
@josephw said“If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb.”
That's a lie.
Rev 14:9-10
This is a lie is it?