Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
As I sit here this evening, I feel tired.

My tiredness is a brute fact. I can't fully explain it, but it is fully evident.

Your logic sir is a figment of your imagination.

Can you explain anything fully?

If I said your tiredness was a result of your insomnia, would that it still be a brute fact?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Can you explain anything fully?

If I said your tiredness was a result of your insomnia, would that it still be a brute fact?

My insomnia may be a contributing factor but it is not a matter of fact that it is the sole cause.

Your question:

If an absolute truth and a brute fact had an arm wrestle, who would win?

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
As I sit here this evening, I feel tired.

My tiredness is a brute fact. I can't fully explain it, but it is fully evident.

No, you are so tired that you are confusing 'brute fact' with some other term. That is not what 'brute fact' means at all. Brute facts may not be evident or even known.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
So is a brute fact true or is it a figment of your imagination?

A brute fact is a fact. It isn't a statement, so doesn't have 'truthiness'. It may be a figment of my imagination that certain things are brute facts, and it may be true that certain things are brute facts. But your question as it stands just doesn't make much sense. Its like asking "Is Hydrogen true?"

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
As I sit here this evening, I feel tired.

My tiredness is a brute fact. I can't fully explain it, but it is fully evident.

Your logic sir is a figment of your imagination.

A brute fact has no explanation but your tiredness does.

Originally posted by twhitehead
A brute fact is a fact. It isn't a statement, so doesn't have 'truthiness'. It may be a figment of my imagination that certain things are brute facts, and it may be true that certain things are brute facts. But your question as it stands just doesn't make much sense. Its like asking "Is Hydrogen true?"

A fact is something that is known to be true. How do you know that a brute fact is true?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Can you explain anything fully?

If I said your tiredness was a result of your insomnia, would that it still be a brute fact?

Nothing real can be explained fully - only fictions can be. Reality allows an infinite range of different types of explanation and description. If anything can be explained fully then it is a fiction.

Originally posted by finnegan
Nothing real can be explained fully - only fictions can be. Reality allows an infinite range of different types of explanation and description. If anything can be explained fully then it is a fiction.

Nothing real can be explained fully

Is this statement real or fictitious?

Reality allows an infinite range of different types of explanation and description.

Is the colour blue real?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
A fact is something that is known to be true.

No, it isn't. A fact is something that is so. Facts aren't necessarily known, and facts are not 'true'.

Originally posted by sonship
Other "brute facts" are allowed but not that there is God.

You are referring to your own preferred God figure, presumably, and not competing ones.

Dasa once referred to the truth of his beliefs as being a "brute fact" and compared it to the "brute fact" that if you put your hand in a fire, it will burn.

He said, and I paraphrase from memory: 'Look, FMF, it's a brute fact ~ a flame will burn you. What I have told you about the vedas is true in the same way as 'fire will burn you' is true.'

Did Dasa's talk of "brute facts" work on you? Are you now a believer in the stuff he believed in?

Originally posted by twhitehead
No, it isn't. A fact is something that is so. Facts aren't necessarily known, and facts are not 'true'.

Once again you are sucking definitions out of your thumb.

fact
fakt/
noun
noun: fact; plural noun: facts
a thing that is known or proved to be true.
"the most commonly known fact about hedgehogs is that they have fleas"
synonyms: reality, actuality, certainty, factuality, certitude; truth, naked truth, verity, gospel
"it is a fact that the water supply is seriously polluted"
antonyms: lie, fiction

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Once again you are sucking definitions out of your thumb.

fact
fakt/
noun
noun: fact; plural noun: facts
a thing that is known or proved to be true.
"the most commonly known fact about hedgehogs is that they have fleas"
synonyms: reality, actuality, certainty, factuality, certitude; truth, naked truth, verity, gospel
"it is a fact that the water supply is seriously polluted"
antonyms: lie, fiction

"The most commonly known fact about hedgehogs is that they have fleas."

A good example of a fact that isn't a fact.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Once again you are sucking definitions out of your thumb.

No, I just use better dictionaries than you. I note you failed to give the source of your definition. Did you make it up?

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fact
* something that truly exists or happens : something that has actual existence
* a true piece of information

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fact
* A fact is something that has really occurred or is actually the case.

Originally posted by finnegan
Nothing real can be explained fully - only fictions can be. Reality allows an infinite range of different types of explanation and description. If anything can be explained fully then it is a fiction.

Nothing real can be explained fully - only fictions can be. Reality allows an infinite range of different types of explanation and description. If anything can be explained fully then it is a fiction.

Do you think anyone posting here has ever claimed that God and Christ have been explained fully or could be explained fully ? I never saw that.

I certainly never claimed God could be explained fully.
We can't even explain ourselves fully.

Originally posted by twhitehead

No, you are so tired that you are confusing 'brute fact' with some other term. That is not what 'brute fact' means at all. Brute facts may not be evident or even known.
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If a brute fact may not be evident or known then to WHOM is it "brute" ?

Simple Definition of brute

: very strong or forceful
: very harsh
Source: Merriam-Webster's Learner's Dictionary
Examples: brute in a sentence


Full Definition of brute
1
: of or relating to beasts <the ways of the brute world>
2
: inanimate 1a
3
: characteristic of an animal in quality, action, or instinct: as
a : cruel, savage <brute violence>
b : not working by reason <brute instinct>
4
: purely physical <brute strength> <brute force>
5
: unrelievedly harsh <brute facts> <brute necessity>

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