23 Dec 16
Originally posted by FMFYou and divegeester fall into the same trap.
She's always willing to make scathing comments about the OSAS doctrine and direct them at me when I reiterate the doctrine for the purposes of discussion (the same goes for the eternal torture doctrine) but I can hardly ever remember her confronting any of the proponents of those doctrines - even to the point of making her own beliefs seem wishy-washy at times.
Just because someone disagrees with you is no reason to stand on the mountaintop and proclaim them to be less than human. In effect, you want me to "confront" people just because YOU do not agree with them. As I said, divegeester suffers from the same illusion. It's just not happening.
As divegeester took great pains to demonstrate when HIS beliefs were questioned, minor points of doctrine aren't worth 'going to war' over. I guess it's only when you disagree with someone else's beliefs that justify 'the gloves coming off'.
But as I've tried to tell you numerous times, I do not understand why you wield the baseball bat in this forum when apparently, you don't believe Christianity anyways. I certainly do not feel the need to justify myself to you.
In short, "what's it to you?"
23 Dec 16
Originally posted by EladarWe're I worship they help people get jobs.
For even when we were with you, we used to give you this order: if anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either.
Do my eyes deceive me? How unchristian to not feed the poor just because they won't work. Yet here we have it. How does Christianity fit with Social programs that feed the poor even those that won't work.
23 Dec 16
Originally posted by Rajk9991.Your stated beliefs: follow the commands of Christ.
Continued demonstration of your poor ability to think and to reason. I made a comment. All you are able to muster is a copy and paste definition?
Do you have a comment on my point that by YOUR OWN STATEMENT that nobody can follow Christ's commandments, then that means that nobody is qualified to preach it otherwise they are hypocrites? Is there anything in brain of yours that is able to reason and make an intelligent comment?
2.Your behavior: a contradiction to your stated beliefs.
3.Therefore you are a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs.
You are the one claiming that we are saved by works without faith and that it therefore is possible to follow the commands of Christ all the time without fail. If it is possible why can't you do it?
23 Dec 16
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkCan you explain why being saved through works means it is possible (or required) to follow the commands of Christ all the time without fail?
1.Your stated beliefs: follow the commands of Christ.
2.Your behavior: a contradiction to your stated beliefs.
3.Therefore you are a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs.
You are the one claiming that we are saved by works without faith and that it therefore is possible to follow the commands of Christ all the time without fail. If it is possible why can't you do it?
Where are you getting that from?
23 Dec 16
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Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeMaybe you would care to clarify how we can be saved by works if we aren't able to follow the commands of Christ perfectly. I assumed the only way was by following them perfectly. Should the good works outweigh the bad works? How else would it work?
Can you explain why being saved through works means it is possible (or required) to follow the commands of Christ all the time without fail?
Where are you getting that from?
23 Dec 16
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkYou are concluding that NOBODY among the billions of people that lived in the last 2000 years, could follow the commandments of Christ, BECAUSE RAJK999 CANNOT FOLLOW THEM?
1.Your stated beliefs: follow the commands of Christ.
2.Your behavior: a contradiction to your stated beliefs.
3.Therefore you are a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs.
You are the one claiming that we are saved by works without faith and that it therefore is possible to follow the commands of Christ all the time without fail. If it is possible why can't you do it?
Furthermore because Rakj999 cannot, then he must not say that Christ said to follow his commandments?
How does my failure to follow Christ change what Christ said?
23 Dec 16
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkCan you clarify you understand the difference between striving for perfection and being perfect?
Maybe you would care to clarify how we can be saved by works if we aren't able to follow the commands of Christ perfectly. I assumed the only way was by following them perfectly. Should the good works outweigh the bad works? How else would it work?
You seem a little out of your depth on this issue.
23 Dec 16
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeJust to be clear are you are saying that someone who strives for perfection even if they denounce the Bible as humbug and reject Jesus as Lord can be saved by their imperfect works? According to the Bible?
Can you clarify you understand the difference between striving for perfection and being perfect?
You seem a little out of your depth on this issue.
23 Dec 16
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Originally posted by Rajk999We are talking here about people who lack faith, who have read and rejected the Bible and have not accepted Jesus as Lord. You are saying such people can be saved by their works if they happen to be following the commands of Jesus subconsciously. And to perfection. Or only partially?
You are concluding that NOBODY among the billions of people that lived in the last 2000 years, could follow the commandments of Christ, BECAUSE RAJK999 CANNOT FOLLOW THEM?
Furthermore because Rakj999 cannot, then he must not say that Christ said to follow his commandments?
How does my failure to follow Christ change what Christ said?
You are also sidestepping the issue that someone who does not practice what they preach is a hypocrite.
23 Dec 16
Originally posted by SuzianneI have no problem at all with the fact you disagree with me, Suzianne. And I have never said anything - in all my ten years here - even remotely like "[you are] less than human". Nothing anywhere near it. There has been no comment by me, ever, even approximating to that.
Just because someone disagrees with you is no reason to stand on the mountaintop and proclaim them to be less than human.