A few facts:
First, even the Appeals Committee stated:
In the appeal there is an exaggeration of the number of times that Mr. Kramnik visited the toilet. Despite there being an unusual number of visits, this is insufficient on its own to come to a conclusion.
Since there is nothing else, the cheating suggestions are absurd. The players have to pass through a metal detector before entering the playing area, so no devices can be "stashed" on them. The toilet areas are inspected before each game with both player's representatives being present if desired. People who keep suggesting that the World Champion is a cheat because his opponent made egregious blunders to lose two games under these circumstances are merely showing their extreme ignorance.
Originally posted by no1marauderI agree no way Kramnik is cheating they're not that dumb
A few facts:
First, even the Appeals Committee stated:
In the appeal there is an exaggeration of the number of times that Mr. Kramnik visited the toilet. Despite there being an unusual number of visits, this is insufficient on its own to come to a conclusion.
Since there is nothing else, the cheating suggestions ar ...[text shortened]... nders to lose two games under these circumstances are merely showing their extreme ignorance.
Every capable chess player will tell you that Topalov dominated Kramnik in the 3 of the 4 games. Topalov's game play is preferable than that of Kramnik. 3-1 score doesn't say much.
Conclusion Kramnik is trying to escape with lame excuses looking for loopholes in the agreement.
My take is: Kramnik won't be able to hold the lead.
Topalov needs to play tomorrow with Kramnik game 5 with all security measures taken against cheating to assure fair play.
A brief recap, which really doesn't say much. Preaching to the choir, no doubt. Trying to keep clear of bias or opinion:
Game 1: Should have been drawn. Topalov built up a nice position, but never winning, then he refused to take the draw, and lost it all with f5??,
Game 2: Topalov missed on a few winning lines. Kramnik deserves credit for great defense.
Game 3: Kramnik probably failed to convert on winning chances (based on Svidler's analysis).
Game 4: Topalov builds up a strong position and the game peters out to a draw; with great accuracy, he may have had winning chances.
Had Topalov converted his winning chances, he may have scored 2.5/4.
Game 5: Topalov's manager not so subtly accused Kramnik of cheating, Topalov and Co., appeal about Kramnik's bathroom use. FIDE says Kramnik must use a common restroom; Kramnik demands that his restroom be unlocked - FIDE says no; Kramnik decides to forfeit game 5.
FIDE finds the Appeals Committee to be at fault on the ruling. "Mr. Kramnik will be able to visit the new bathroom an unlimited number of times without being subject to further control."
Hmm...Maybe now Kramnik will assume the throne? 😉 Perhaps Kramnik now is not quite as strong as the Kramnik of 2000, but he's still in great form. Hopefully no more "drama" - really nothing out of nothing. Merely hoping for good chess, and nothing else.
Main site: http://www.worldchess2006.com/main.asp
You can find analysis for these games in many places. 🙂
Wiabj beat me to the link. Svidler's annotations are very well done.
Originally posted by Los AngelesI hope this question is not rhetorical, because if it is it is certainly ignorant of the history of this situation. FIDE has a long, long record for placing unfair strain on the opponent which they desire to see lose. For this reason and many others Garry Kasparov, arguably the greatest chess player to ever exist, split from FIDE in 1993. Garry set up a new organization in which he was the first world champion, but then eventually lost his title to Kramnik. The consolidation of these two titles was the point to this match. FIDE seemed to be, at least in suggestive way, apologizing for it's past grievances.
[b]May I ask you one question only.
Why Kramnik refused to play his 5th game?[/b]
It is obvious that FIDE would be motivated to continue its bad habit in this important match that would finally settle whether or not Kasparov's successor could out play FIDE's crowned champion. The changing of the previously agreed upon match regulations without Kramnik's consent shows that FIDE is in fact still biased and also ready and willing to be extremely disrespectful to those that disagree with them.
While I would loved to see this match played out. I have the upmost respect for Kramnik for standing up against FIDE's unfair actions. I believe his protest is in the best interest of chess players everywhere.
Originally posted by ItalyBoyBlueI agree every player has the right to protest. But doing it by refusing to play and then asking to continue with the same score, and no security improvements?
I hope this question is not rhetorical, because if it is it is certainly ignorant of the history of this situation. FIDE has a long, long record for placing unfair strain on the opponent which they desire to see lose. For this reason and many others Garry Kasparov, arguably the greatest chess player to ever exist, split from FIDE in 1993. Garry set up a unfair actions. I believe his protest is in the best interest of chess players everywhere.
I don't agree with some of the S. Danailov expressions as well, but in general they are right to request fair play, taking into account Kramnik's extraordinary visites to the WC. Nothing like that has happened so far in the chess world.
BTW Silvio Danailov is not satisfied with the measures taken.
http://www.forumforme.com/showthread.php?p=29#post29
No "security improvements" are necessary since there isn't a shred of evidence that the present ones, the ones Topalov agreed to before he started losing, are inadequate. In every tournament and event players are allowed to leave the board whenever they choose, so there is no reason to put in new rules because of a crybaby, sore loser.
Topalov won't shake hands with Kramnik.
Some people on other forums suggested that may be he is not sure if Kramnik's hands are clean enough after going so many times to the bathroom, or may be he is afraid of catching some kind of Diarrhea virus.
just opinions
Other people say that the Russian Chess Maffia won't accept the fact that a non Russian is a world Chess Champion. And they would do anything to get the title. That's why the frequent visites to the bathroom so that Kramnik can get tips on what to play. And now when the cheating is discovered Kramnik is looking for escape routes.
Again just opinions.
Originally posted by Los AngelesJust another no class move by a sham "champion" who is nothing but a crybaby, sore loser.
Topalov won't shake hands with Kramnik.
Some people on other forums suggested that may be he is not sure if Kramnik's hands are clean enough after going so many times to the bathroom, or may be he is afraid of catching some kind of Diarrhea virus.
just opinions
EDIT: Gee, I wonder who in the "Russian Mafia" is qualified to give chess tips to the guy who beat Kasparov without losing a game?
Topalov believes Kramnik is a cheater, that's why he does not want to shake hands with him. He may be wrong though. I don't know what the truth is, but I would like to know it.
And Kramnik seems to keep all recoreds in "Soviet style" secrecy. Why? To put more oil in the fire, the organizers said they don't have all the records because of technical problems. "?" Can you believe that?
Originally posted by Los AngelesI don't think you understand that no one is in the bathroom with him and that Kramnik is a world champion ergo no one else in his rest area is nearly as capable of choosing the right continuation than himself. FIDE has taken every possible precaution to prevent cheating and Topalov accepted those measures before the match had started. World champion chess players are always paranoid of being cheated but FIDE has taken Topalov's complaint much to far.
That's why the frequent visites to the bathroom so that Kramnik can get tips on what to play.
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Originally posted by ItalyBoyBlueI am sorry, but the Topalov team doesn't see it that way.
I don't think you understand that no one is in the bathroom with him and that Kramnik is a world champion ergo no one else in his rest area is nearly as capable of choosing the right continuation than himself. FIDE has taken every possible precaution to prevent cheating and Topalov accepted those measures before the match had started. World champion che ...[text shortened]... ayers are always paranoid of being cheated but FIDE has taken Topalov's complaint much to far.
http://www.forumforme.com/showthread.php?p=30#post30
Check out the bold read text.