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18 May 18
Originally posted by @ashiitakaIt also breeds people who are a LOT more accommodating towards people in your situation, instead of the 'stick-up-the-ass', self-righteous, intolerant types on the right.
Leftism breeds parasites, leeching off those who worked instead of wallowing.
Originally posted by @wolfgang59The mature response to hardship is to embrace the right, not the left.
Folow the narrative.
I was responding to;
You must have been a Tory boy at school; a product of your parents upbringing no doubt.
In my own family, both my parents are very clever but never worked particularly hard at school, didn't do very well, dropped out, did drugs, didn't finish uni (despite the fact that in apartheid South Africa it didn't matter how little work you did as a white person; success was nearly guaranteed with minimal effort). Of course, they have both struggled terribly their entire lives. My mother now calls herself a "socialist". Rinse and repeat the story for almost all of my mother and father's family. They didn't work and are surprised when they end up in poverty. My uncle is always railing against "evil capitalists" when he hasn't done a scrap of real work for the past 2 decades. I might pity them and "have feelings for them" - in Wolfgang speak, but I absolutely am not going to expect other people to pay for their mistakes, despite having suffered collateral damage from their choices myself.
The left is occupied by failures who are bitter of people who forged their way to the top and are audacious enough to be a success. The perennial evil is a successful person. There is a narrative that the only way they could have improved themselves is through robbing the poor somehow or that the system must be broken. Those are the lamentations of a lazy slob, finding excuses.
The answer to this is a right-wing narrative of responsibility for one's self, and that no circumstances can stand in your way if you truly want to improve yourself. That is why the Tory party attracts self-made immigrants such as Sajid Javid, Priti Patel, Olukemi Badenoch, Kwasi Kwarteng, Ranil Jayawardena, Adam Afriyie and Alok Sharma to name but a few. They prove that the opportunities are there in Britain for anyone to take them and are inspirational, unlike someone in labour banging on about inherent unfairness.
Originally posted by @ashiitakaThanks for that.
The mature response to hardship is to embrace the right, not the left.
Nice persuasive argument.
Did you do that on your Caribbean tour. (You know - all the islands you have lived on)
Originally posted by @suzianneSuzianne, America is another story entirely. By European standards, the Democrats are not leftists. America doesn't know what leftism is. Jeremy Corbyn makes even Bernie Sanders look like a right-wing reactionary.
It also breeds people who are a LOT more accommodating towards people in your situation, instead of the 'stick-up-the-ass', self-righteous, intolerant types on the right.
In the UK, our right wing conservative party has appointed our first TWO (and to date, only) female prime ministers, the first being Mrs Thatcher almost 40 years ago. The first ethnic minority person to hold one of the four great offices (The Prime Minister, Chancellor, Home Secretary and Foreign Secretary) is Sajid Javid, a conservative whose parents are immigrants from Pakistan. The Tory party has the most LGBT MPs. Equal marriage was passed while the conservatives were in power. The difference between the conservatives and labour is that a) the conservative party doesn't patronize women, ethnic and sexual minorities by taking them for granted or assuming we must vote for them and b) actions speak louder than words and what has labour done for us? I'm still waiting for labour to have a female leader (and one as strong as Mrs Thatcher at that).
So yeah, it's hardly the republican party.
Originally posted by @suzianneYou wouldn't be classified as on the Left over in Blighty. There's no such thing as a Christian fundamentalist zionist in the labour party. No, no, no, the left here is way more radical than most Americans can comprehend. Jeremy Corbyn has described Hamas as "friends" and has openly admitted that he is a Marxist. His shadow chancellor, John McDonnell, says his goal is to overthrow capitalism. When asked what he could change about his past if he could, he said: "I'd have murdered Margaret Thatcher".
It also breeds people who are a LOT more accommodating towards people in your situation, instead of the 'stick-up-the-ass', self-righteous, intolerant types on the right.
Originally posted by @ashiitakaSome of the "failures" who supported Labour in last election.
The left is occupied by failures who are bitter of people who forged their way to the top and are audacious enough to be a success. .
Liam Gallagher
Ricky Gervais
Stephen Hawking
Jonathan Mitchie
Joseph Stiglitz
Alan Sugar
Originally posted by @wolfgang59Oopsy, Alan Sugar backed Mrs May in the last election and has repeatedly criticized labour over the past few years...
Some of the "failures" who supported Labour in last election.
Liam Gallagher
Ricky Gervais
Stephen Hawking
Jonathan Mitchie
Joseph Stiglitz
Alan Sugar
Joseph Stiglitz, that economist who wrote a book tearing the EU you love to shreds (it was a good book). He hasn't backed labour in any election. What he has done is praise Jeremy Corbyn's opposition to austerity.
I should hope we don't model our country on the likes of Ricky Gervais.
Liam Gallagher is a prick.
I hope this isn't the best you can do.
Originally posted by @wolfgang59I think he wrote the bit about how he is already a self made man despite his lazy drug taking parents in the pork pie factory.
Thanks for that.
Nice persuasive argument.
Did you do that on your Caribbean tour. (You know - all the islands you have lived on)
[i]Originally posted by @ashiitaka . That is why the Tory party attracts self-made immigrants such as Sajid Javid, Priti Patel, Olukemi Badenoch, Kwasi Kwarteng, Ranil Jayawardena, Adam Afriyie and Alok Sharma to name but a few. They prove that the opportunities are there in Britain for anyone to take them and are inspirational, unlike someone in labour banging on about inherent unfairness.[/b]Priti Patel
Patel has been criticised by some for raising issues in the House of Commons related to her time working for the tobacco and alcohol industries.[76] As a parliamentarian, Patel has been consistently supportive of tobacco industry viewpoints: in October 2010, she voted for the smoking ban to be overturned; in December 2010, she signed a letter requesting that plain packaging for cigarettes be reconsidered.
Olukemi Badenoch,
In April 2018, The Mail on Sunday obtained a video of an interview that Badenoch did with Core Politics, where she confessed to hacking into the website of a Labour MP in 2008.[28][29] The MP in question was Harriet Harman, who was then Deputy Leader of the Labour Party. Harman accepted Badenoch's apology, but the matter has been reported to Action Fraud, the UK's cyber crime reporting centre
Adam Afriyie
In December 2014, Afriyie along with six other Conservative Party MPs voted against the Equal Pay (Transparency) Bill, which would require all companies with more than 250 employees to declare the gap in pay between the average male and average female salaries.
All quotes from Wikipedia.
22 May 18
Originally posted by @wolfgang59Gosh...
My parents both left school at 14, working class and aspired to
living in a Council house. (Never achieved due to waiting lists)
Four of us lived in a one bedroom flat with a shared toilet and
no bathroom so you can F*** off with your assumptions.
Why have you turned into such a TWAT?
22 May 18
Originally posted by @biffo-konkerI never wrote anything about me. That's a dishonest assertion.
I think he wrote the bit about how he is already a self made man despite his lazy drug taking parents in the pork pie factory.
I have gotten to where I am today on my own but I am not a success yet. I still have 5.5 more years of studying left before I qualify (although I can work in 2.5 years and sit my exams during that time). If I do not reach that point, I will know that I did not do the work required to complete my degree.
22 May 18
Originally posted by @biffo-konkerI read the interview with Olukemi when it came out. She hacked into Harriet Harman's website and changed it to say nice things about the conservative party as a practical joke. It only made me like her even more.
Priti Patel
Patel has been criticised by some for raising issues in the House of Commons related to her time working for the tobacco and alcohol industries.[76] As a parliamentarian, Patel has been consistently supportive of tobacco industry viewpoints: in October 2010, she voted for the smoking ban to be overturned; in December 2010, she signed a l ...[text shortened]... e gap in pay between the average male and average female salaries.
All quotes from Wikipedia.
I had to write an essay on excise tax on tobacco products in South Africa for microecos II and in my research I found that the state's meddling with supply and demand through taxes has not harmed British American Tobacco's profits in the slightest. BAT's revenue has been going up and up despite aggressive taxation. The tobacco industry's point is that meddling with market forces is a bad idea and because people are addicted to cigarettes they aren't likely to drastically reduce consumption through taxation policies. All the tax does is force consumers to siphon more money from their budgets to go towards cigarettes than they otherwise would. I'm not pro-tobacco by any means and I would like to see less smoking but don't think I dislike Priti Patel for making the case for tobacco industries. Anyway, it's far better than the blatant anti-Jewish racism amongst the hard leftists who have launched a coup in the labour party.
It's a bit sad that you trawled the Wikipedia page of every single name I posted, searching for dirt.
Originally posted by @very-rustyRule number one: every thread eventually goes off topic.
LOL...I find it amazing & amusing the different directions a Topic about the Royal Wedding can take.
-VR
Rule number two: never divulge all of the rules.
BTW, I thought Megan's wedding dress was very appropriate.