-Removed-We cannot become clear on any topic until we can agree on what can be verified to the satisfaction of both parties.
What I have asserted after continued study is at odds with what the majority of people consider to be true with respect to the shape of the earth.
Therefore, it is better to start with some agreed upon ground, thus the query into the accepted formula for determining the curvature of a sphere, please.
Originally posted by FreakyKBHThe Earth is pretty much round, by no means perfectly so, but pretty much. How about we take that as our agreed starting point?
We cannot become clear on any topic until we can agree on what can be verified to the satisfaction of both parties.
What I have asserted after continued study is at odds with what the majority of people consider to be true with respect to the shape of the earth.
Therefore, it is better to start with some agreed upon ground, thus the query into the accepted formula for determining the curvature of a sphere, please.
I'm also willing to accept that 'some' of the countless images of the Earth, showing its curvature are a result of fish eyed cameras and modification. The notion however that 'every' image has been corrupted (or every person who has seen the curvature first hand is lying in some convoluted conspiracy) is beyond the realms of reason. - 'Some' of the images showing curvature must be genuine and it only takes one to evidence that the Earth is a globe. - Let us take that too as a starting point?
As for your requested formula for determining the curvature of a sphere:
Continued curvature = eventual sphere.
Over to you Clog Man.
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeHe is pulling the same crap on you as he did on me, obfuscate, deny, ridicule, dis science, all in his vain effort to show Earth being flat, oh yeah, forgot ignore. For instance, Foucault's pendulum, ignore, moon upside down looking in the southern hemisphere, ignore, stars rotating in opposite direction in southern hemisphere, ignore, etc., etc., etc.
The Earth is pretty much round, by no means perfectly so, but pretty much. How about we take that as our agreed starting point?
I'm also willing to accept that 'some' of the countless images of the Earth, showing its curvature are a result of fish eyed cameras and modification. The notion however that 'every' image has been corrupted (or every per ...[text shortened]... ng the curvature of a sphere:
Continued curvature = eventual sphere.
Over to you Clog Man.
He goes 'I will ONLY talk about other things when you admit NASA lies, and you can see way past the curvature limits of regular science'.
He is a one trick pony. Well, 2 trick pony. Nothing else is open to his closed mind.
Originally posted by sonhouseI don't understand what the problem is. Freaky hasn't said the earth was flat. It seems he has a certain specific question that no one has addressed yet. I think if I were Freaky I would do just as he is doing until the question is answered and not be waylaid into off topic debates.
He is pulling the same crap on you as he did on me, obfuscate, deny, ridicule, dis science, all in his vain effort to show Earth being flat, oh yeah, forgot ignore. For instance, Foucault's pendulum, ignore, moon upside down looking in the southern hemisphere, ignore, stars rotating in opposite direction in southern hemisphere, ignore, etc., etc., etc.
...[text shortened]... cience'.
He is a one trick pony. Well, 2 trick pony. Nothing else is open to his closed mind.
There appears to be a discrepancy between one formula and another related to the curviture of the earth and the earths accual shape. Why can't this problem be resolved?
Originally posted by josephwWhoever resolves this deep scientific problem will surely win a Nobel prize.
I don't understand what the problem is. Freaky hasn't said the earth was flat. It seems he has a certain specific question that no one has addressed yet. I think if I were Freaky I would do just as he is doing until the question is answered and not be waylaid into off topic debates.
There appears to be a discrepancy between one formula and another related to the curviture of the earth and the earths accual shape. Why can't this problem be resolved?
Meanwhile in the real world we can all enjoy the benefits of satellite technology.
Originally posted by wolfgang59Especially satellite TV, where everyone is instructed to direct their dishes south.
Whoever resolves this deep scientific problem will surely win a Nobel prize.
Meanwhile in the real world we can all enjoy the benefits of satellite technology.
Or cell phones which are dependent upon land-based cellular towers.
Originally posted by josephwHe isn't just saying Earth is somewhat flat, he is fully aligned with the flatassers.
I don't understand what the problem is. Freaky hasn't said the earth was flat. It seems he has a certain specific question that no one has addressed yet. I think if I were Freaky I would do just as he is doing until the question is answered and not be waylaid into off topic debates.
There appears to be a discrepancy between one formula and another related to the curviture of the earth and the earths accual shape. Why can't this problem be resolved?
1, NASA, ESA, Russia, China, Israel, Britain, India, ALL of those organizations and countries are lying about being in space. He has already said GPS is from ground stations not satellites and when I pointed out GPS works just fine in the middle of the ocean a thousand miles from any ground station, his response: Ignore.
He questions why we have not been able to dig more than 7 miles deep and when I replied it was because of the extreme temperatures melting the drill tips, Ignore.
Mention of Foucault's pendulum, ignore.
Mention moon looking upside down in the southern hemisphere, ignore.
Etc., etc., etc.
He is not trying to just say Earth is somewhat flatter than science says, he is saying Earth is just as the ancients thought, we are the center of the universe, the sun is maybe a thousand miles in space and the moon closer than that but when I pointed out the sun going in some kind of circle above Earth there would never be sunsets and sunrises because it would be visible all over the Earth simultaniously, another ignore.
This is not simple obfuscation, this is pathological.
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeI'm not sure who let you into my closet, but I'm actually going for the specific mathematical formula which is used to determine the rate of curvature.
The Earth is pretty much round, by no means perfectly so, but pretty much. How about we take that as our agreed starting point?
I'm also willing to accept that 'some' of the countless images of the Earth, showing its curvature are a result of fish eyed cameras and modification. The notion however that 'every' image has been corrupted (or every per ...[text shortened]... ng the curvature of a sphere:
Continued curvature = eventual sphere.
Over to you Clog Man.
It's based on the Pythagorean theorem.
Anything?
Originally posted by sonhouseObfuscate?!?
He is pulling the same crap on you as he did on me, obfuscate, deny, ridicule, dis science, all in his vain effort to show Earth being flat, oh yeah, forgot ignore. For instance, Foucault's pendulum, ignore, moon upside down looking in the southern hemisphere, ignore, stars rotating in opposite direction in southern hemisphere, ignore, etc., etc., etc.
...[text shortened]... cience'.
He is a one trick pony. Well, 2 trick pony. Nothing else is open to his closed mind.
Did you join the Word of the Week Club and feel compelled to use it in a sentence?
Congratulations!
You used it correctly, although it was misapplied.
One person has been putting forth the effort in establishing a point without becoming distracted by other issues.
Another person has been throwing everything and the kitchen sink into the mix while artlessly dodging the simple inquiry.
This is not a multifaceted conversation and yet you repeatedly have tried to make it so.
I've been very specific and achingly clear in my intent to NOT address any other concerns unless and until the primary two-part introduction is resolved.
You continue harping on this to make it appear as though there exists some defect in my claims and yet you've not addressed the claims.
Since I've consistently voiced my refusal to go into the sundry list of related topics, it makes no sense for you to constantly latch onto them instead of addressing the questions put to you.
The closest you've been is when you claimed the video was a fraud, that the recorder was lying about their whereabouts while recording the images.
We've put that to bed, so you're left to address how such a thing is possible: not just in this video, which was chosen as a demonstration of the reality, but everywhere else, every day, seen by anyone willing to observe it.
I'm not interested in opinion except from a 'how do you explain this' perspective.
I am first interested in the math involved, as I consider math difficult to cheat in--- not impossible given some of the theories out there, but at least it has a way of leveling the field for the most part.
You can continue your rant against my two-trick ponies, but you're getting your ass whipped by these little guys.
Originally posted by josephwThey don't want to address it (the formula for determining the rate of curvature of a sphere) because they are aware that in doing so, they will be faced with objective, undeniable facts and that will lead to conclusions of which they are not prepared to make.
I don't understand what the problem is. Freaky hasn't said the earth was flat. It seems he has a certain specific question that no one has addressed yet. I think if I were Freaky I would do just as he is doing until the question is answered and not be waylaid into off topic debates.
There appears to be a discrepancy between one formula and another related to the curviture of the earth and the earths accual shape. Why can't this problem be resolved?
Makes a lot of sense when you put it in that perspective.
Keep your world view intact no matter what!
Originally posted by wolfgang59More correctly, both south and north aim their dishes at the equator which is where most TV satellites orbit, around the vicinity of the equator. So in the north they aim southernly and in the south, northernly less and less in those directions the closer to the equator you live. You live where my daughter lives in Brazil, almost dead nuts on the equator, you aim it straight up in the air, not north OR south. Of course there would be left and rightness but straight up.
Unless you live in Southern hemisphere and we all turn our dishes NORTH.
Idiot.