Originally posted by finneganThere are a couple of problems with your statements.If I am basing my position solely on my observations, it is as valid as my ability to ascertain the particulars, i.e., measure distances, confirm elevations, calculate the expected curvature and, of course, understand the time of day.Interesting that your list and your description assumes that light only travels in straight lines, but of cou ...[text shortened]... an be false by a huge margin of error.
You need to build your argument on better foundations.
Light does travel in a straight line outside of a vacuum, as well.
It will always take the shortest, quickest route possible, which is usually in a straight line.
When light encounters other medium, it will follow the quickest route through that medium or around it.
According to your own source, refraction is temperature dependent which means it shouldn't occur unless certain conditions are met.
Your source also references nothing more than such conditions impact on light.
There is nothing to suggest an object's position would be altered.
Additionally, your source indicates the horizon would be further away than it actually is, which doesn't help the contending argument at all: it makes it harder to explain.
Too, your source speaks of light being transmitted horizontally, when such visibility of distant objects are illuminated with light transmitted vertically.
That the results of light refraction are so varied eliminates it from being the cause: the visibility of distant objects is an all-time, everyday, all year-round occurrence.
If not only light but objects themselves can somehow be projected thousands of feet above their actual positions only under certain conditions, then when those conditions are not present and the visibility persists, something else is at play.
Originally posted by FreakyKBHYou do know the difference between teleportation and projection don't you? You see the object BECAUSE light bounces off it and then gets bent back down to Earth, maybe hundreds of miles beyond the horizon. As I have said before, that is the ONLY reason you see stuff past the usual horizon and you will NEVER see that happening if you are on the moon since with no atmosphere, light ALWAYS travels in a straight line but with a very very minor bending due to gravity. Light only bends by the gravity of the full mass of the sun only 1.75 arc seconds so on Earth or the moon it would be a thousand times less, not visable so any horizon will be strictly line of sight. You can't do that with a laser on Earth since it will tend to follow the curve of Earth due to refraction, diffraction and so forth in the atmosphere. You KNOW that effect happens yet you continue to cling to your fantasy.
There are a couple of problems with your statements.
Light does travel in a straight line outside of a vacuum, as well.
It will always take the shortest, quickest route possible, which is usually in a straight line.
When light encounters other medium, it will follow the quickest route through that medium or around it.
According to your own source, ...[text shortened]... en when those conditions are not present and the visibility persists, something else is at play.
Originally posted by sonhouseYou are literally clueless.
You do know the difference between teleportation and projection don't you? You see the object BECAUSE light bounces off it and then gets bent back down to Earth, maybe hundreds of miles beyond the horizon. As I have said before, that is the ONLY reason you see stuff past the usual horizon and you will NEVER see that happening if you are on the moon since wi ...[text shortened]... forth in the atmosphere. You KNOW that effect happens yet you continue to cling to your fantasy.
Without the foggiest of notions about which you speak.
Hundreds of miles?
So we ought to, at all times of the day or night, under all manner of conditions, throughout the seasons of the year, be able to see hundreds of miles away?
Do you read the crap you type out, or do you just
Go For It?
Originally posted by FreakyKBHWhy can't we see hundreds of miles if Earth is flat?
You are literally clueless.
Without the foggiest of notions about which you speak.
Hundreds of miles?
So we ought to, at all times of the day or night, under all manner of conditions, throughout the seasons of the year, be able to see hundreds of miles away?
Do you read the crap you type out, or do you just
Go For It?
Originally posted by sonhouseThe further away something is, the denser the atmosphere.
Why can't we see hundreds of miles if Earth is flat?
Vanishing points appear to meld with the horizon.
The more diminished the perspective, the increase of atmospheric interference with the visibility of the object.
Duh.
Originally posted by FreakyKBHFunny how the people aboard ISS can see right down to the surface through a hundred miles of atmosphere.
The further away something is, the denser the atmosphere.
Vanishing points appear to meld with the horizon.
The more diminished the perspective, the increase of atmospheric interference with the visibility of the object.
Duh.
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-Removed-This issue might indeed have religious undertones, but it need not, as well.
From a strictly scientific viewpoint, this topic has been in focus.
As far as I can tell, YOU are the ONLY one who has brought God into it by asking me to 'swear to (my) God what shape the world is' when my opinion has nothing to do with the questions.
The fact that you have been both unwilling and unable to consider the topic in strictly measurable terms speaks to your lack of discipline... nothing more, nothing less.