Originally posted by sonhouseUnless and until you can offer ANYTHING which renders the calculation I offered (which anyone can get for themselves at HTTPS://dizzib.github.io/earth/curve-calc/?dO=30&hO=10&unit=imperial) as well as verify the calculations and formulas are accurate at GitHub.com.
Not even close. The formula's used for microwave communications and visual line of sight has been known for decades. I showed you one such. You demonstrated nothing and I note you refuse to answer even one question I posed. Why does the moon look upside down in the southern hemisphere?
Your rantings notwithstanding, you have nothing.
This entire conversation has been an absolute waste of time on account of your intransigence.
Even when faced with immutable facts, you continue to deny what is achingly clear... well, to any reasonable person, of course.
But that's fine.
It's actually comforting, quite frankly.
Your denial of reality only underscores how important the issue is in your mind.
You have fought passionately even if not objectively, which is evidence of both your loyalty and your appreciation for what a flat earth represents.
Sucks to see your world crumble, but there's a place for you on this ol' non-spinning stage we call earth.
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-Removed-You have to be more specific, he already says Earth is not a sphere but refuses to specify how thick the flat Earth is: "Nobody knows'' and presents as evidence such facts as we humans cannot drill more than 7 miles beneath the surface and when shown why, that is never good enough, he thinks the fact drill actually melt because of the combination of extreme temperature and pressure is a lie.
So NASA, ESA, Russia, China, Israel, India, all those space faring nations are in a vast conspiracy to hide the 'fact' Earth is flat and there is an ice wall around the edge of the pancake Earth.
Funny how there can be such a huge conspiracy and there is not ONE whistleblower, eh.
He also refuses to answer why the moon looks upside down from the Southern hemisphere or why stars in the southern hemisphere appear to rotate the opposite of the stars in the North. Try getting THAT effect with the rotating sky dome of the flatassers. Let's see, a two part dome. Yeah, that's it, a dome with two parts that slide by each other going in the opposite direction. Yeah, that MUST be it. Let's see, what to do about the moon looking upside down in the southern hemisphere. Wait, I'm working on it....
And then there is Foucault's pendulum, Oh yeah, the ETHER is doing that, because the entire universe is rotating around our fixed planet, the ETHER is pulling that pendulum around. Yeah, that's it. Ok now we KNOW what is going on. FLAT EARTH IS TRUE!
It just goes to show Freaky does not want dialog, he wants us to fall over and play dead. My answer about NASA lying for instance, where I said they don't lie, to him is just not an answer even though that is my answer now and every time he asks that question, it is rejected as an answer. Which goes to show he is coming from a religious POV, that is, faith, where no rational rebuttal would ever work to shake his unshakable religious based foundation of delusions.
-Removed-Why do you continue to ask what I've already answered?
You go to great lengths to make it appear as though I haven't responded, and yet you've put literally zero effort in reviewing the answer I gave you previously.
Asked and answered.
If you insist that I haven't fulfilled your request, I can embarrass you and expose your laziness by providing the date, the link and the quote in which your question was clearly answered.
Do some research, son.
It can't be too difficult to scan your own posts, right?
As you're scanning, look for ones which posed the same question.
Then open those repeated questions and see what my responses were to determine when your question was answered.
Pretty easy, right?
Until then, I will continue to refuse to describe my view of the earth's shape except in the negative.
Why would I keep posting what has already been clearly delineated?
Originally posted by FreakyKBHThen we are through talking. Like I said, you don't want dialog, I answer a question, I ask a question which you answer, that is a dialog. If you don't like the answers I give, that is your problem not mine. If you truly wanted dialog, you could say 'I don't accept your answer' and then answer my question. You don't even do that, you just refuse to answer any refutation of your POV. Which makes it a religious stance and therefore no argument possible.
Why do you continue to ask what I've already answered?
You go to great lengths to make it appear as though I haven't responded, and yet you've put literally zero effort in reviewing the answer I gave you previously.
Asked and answered.
If you insist that I haven't fulfilled your request, I can embarrass you and expose your laziness by providing the da ...[text shortened]... ape except in the negative.
Why would I keep posting what has already been clearly delineated?
Originally posted by sonhouseWhat Freaky wants is for you to answer the questions put to you.
You have to be more specific, he already says Earth is not a sphere but refuses to specify how thick the flat Earth is: "Nobody knows'' and presents as evidence such facts as we humans cannot drill more than 7 miles beneath the surface and when shown why, that is never good enough, he thinks the fact drill actually melt because of the combination of extreme ...[text shortened]... tional rebuttal would ever work to shake his unshakable religious based foundation of delusions.
That's it, in a nutshell.
Nothing more, nothing less.
Just for giggles, let's do a score update.
It's been claimed ships are observed to disappear over the horizon.
This has been disproven with the use of binoculars or other visual aids.
It's been claimed that distant objects which ought to be below the horizon aren't visible.
This has been disproven with pictures and videos found on the internet, as well as individual testimony from various sources.
It has been claimed that the formulas used for determining the loss of vision due to the curvature of the earth is in error.
This had been disproven through multiple sources found on the internet.
It has been claimed that visibility of these distant objects is a result of refraction of light or atmospheric refraction.
This has been disproven with a more in-depth consideration of the phenomena as well was pictures and videos which depict the visibility of distant objects which completely eliminate either phenomenon as being in effect at the time of recording.
This has also been disproven through individual testimony related to the visibility of distant objects at all times of the night or day and throughout the year, regardless of any condition other than weather.
It has been claimed that NASA has never faked anything.
This has been disproven with examples of their fraudulent and/or contradictory productions.
Additionally, the one proof which could support the claim of NASA's authenticity, providing a genuine picture of the earth from space which has not been altered, has not been offered.
That makes the score 2-0.
Claims against the oblate spheroid are trouncing claims for it.
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Originally posted by FreakyKBHAnd you can't answer why the moon is upside down in the southern hemisphere or why the stars rotate opposite direction to the north or why the pendulum shows Earths spinning.
What Freaky wants is for you to answer the questions put to you.
That's it, in a nutshell.
Nothing more, nothing less.
Just for giggles, let's do a score update.
It's been claimed ships are observed to disappear over the horizon.
This has been disproven with the use of binoculars or other visual aids.
It's been claimed that distant objects ...[text shortened]... .
That makes the score 2-0.
Claims against the oblate spheroid are trouncing claims for it.
That would be because you don't want to HEAR anything that refutes your fantasy.
If you think it is not refraction showing the Island then prove it with something more than words. Just going over and over, 'its not refraction' is not an argument, as I have said before, it is an OPINION unless backed up by real science. BTW, lasers don't work either because they get diffracted just like mirages.
You simply don't want to discuss anything that doesn't agree with your opinions.
Originally posted by sonhouseAnd you can't answer why the moon is upside down in the southern hemisphere or why the stars rotate opposite direction to the north or why the pendulum shows Earths spinning.
And you can't answer why the moon is upside down in the southern hemisphere or why the stars rotate opposite direction to the north or why the pendulum shows Earths spinning.
That would be because you don't want to HEAR anything that refutes your fantasy.
If you think it is not refraction showing the Island then prove it with something more than words. ...[text shortened]... ike mirages.
You simply don't want to discuss anything that doesn't agree with your opinions.
That would be because you don't want to HEAR anything that refutes your fantasy.
As I’ve already told you more times than is necessary to count: I am not going to respond to any of the auxiliary issues you or others might bring up.
I know it’s difficult for you to get your mind around this, but the decision was for your own good.
Keeping a narrow focus of consideration is always in the favor of truth.
When we allow a multiple of other concerns into the conversation, we run the risk of losing the point and punch of the inquiry--- even those which have to do with the topic.
Instead, I purposely kept the consideration on two salient and very specific questions, as those two questions are simple to understand and fairly easy to resolve.
Additionally, these two questions serve the purpose of putting nearly all other issues to rest.
While the question of the FE model vs. the globe model is not completely summed up with these two questions, I think it’s safe to say they represent a significant portion of the inquiry.
What bolsters this belief is how difficult it is to keep you on topic.
You WANT the subject matter to be changed to this ancillary question or that auxiliary issue in order to avoid the reality these two questions make you face.
I’m not allowing that, so you resort to claiming I eschew dialogue--- clearly not the case.
I am inviting, encouraging and welcoming dialogue on the topic at hand.
Simply stick to the topic at hand and quit squirming away.
If you think it is not refraction showing the Island then prove it with something more than words. Just going over and over, 'its not refraction' is not an argument, as I have said before, it is an OPINION unless backed up by real science.
I don’t think it’s not refraction of light or atmospheric refraction; I know it’s neither.
The video demonstrates and support this understanding.
However, the missing and very key ingredient in this conversation is two-fold.
One, it is imperative that you know what atmospheric refraction and/or refraction of light even means.
That is to say, how do they manifest themselves, what are their causes and conditions, under what circumstances would they be expected to come into play and when can they be eliminated?
Without at least a basic understanding of these factors, the phenomena are more akin to majik than anything workable--- very much like they’ve been in your hands.
Two, with an understanding of the phenomena, we must be able to compare and contrast what we know with what we see.
Do the recorded images in the video match what we would expect to see in terms of atmospheric refraction or refraction of light?
Emphatically not.
We see the distant island in its entirety far before the sun begins to rise behind it.
We see the distant island in its entirety as the sun begins to rise behind it.
We see the shadows created by the sun on the distant island as the sun is rising behind it.
Any of these is enough to tell us atmospheric refraction is not the cause, nor is refraction of light the cause.
All together, we can emphatically and unequivocally remove either phenomena as the cause of the visibility of an object which mathematically ought to be thousands of feet below the horizon.
BTW, lasers don't work either because they get diffracted just like mirages.
Stick to the script, sonhouse.
You simply don't want to discuss anything that doesn't agree with your opinions.
I’m just trying to get you somewhere--- anywhere--- near the shore of reality.
Answer the questions put to you and we can move on to all kinds of other topics.
I think we both know you are deathly afraid of facing this one, as it blows your whole argument out of the water in an unmistakable manner.
Literally everything you’ve offered on the question of the visibility of distant objects has been decimated; this video puts the icing on the cake, so to speak.