Ww3

@Metal-Brain
I guess Russia is just this poor misunderstood country with no expansionist ideas or anything like that, right?
UK at war with Russia. Right, like it is JUST the UK and US against Russia.
Did you just see the Pres of China and Putin talk, Xi all but said go suck an egg with your piss poor war, they don't like losers or even the OPTICS of losing.
And causing riots in Russia with his failure mode conscription of a third of a million conscripts.
Yeah, why should ANYONE worry about an attack, unprovoked, on Ukraine, that's all Putin wants, right? It would be nonsense to think he would just go after the Moldova next, right? What's WRONG with all those paranoid people to think Putin wants the USSR back right?
Those PARANOID western countries just don't understand.

@sonhouse said
@Metal-Brain
I guess Russia is just this poor misunderstood country with no expansionist ideas or anything like that, right?
UK at war with Russia. Right, like it is JUST the UK and US against Russia.
Did you just see the Pres of China and Putin talk, Xi all but said go suck an egg with your piss poor war, they don't like losers or even the OPTICS of losing.
And causing ...[text shortened]... to think Putin wants the USSR back right?
Those PARANOID western countries just don't understand.

NATO expanded, not Russia.

Obama took Ukraine by coup supporting neo nazis. Viktor Yanukovych was pro Russia as was the guy that appointed him PM, Leonid Kuchma.

Russia just wants their colony back the same way the USA wanted their colony Cuba back. Remember Bay of Pigs?

Putin is no worse than Kennedy.

@metal-brain said
Have you prepared for nuclear war yet?
The UK will surely be a target. They have made it no secret they are at war with Russia.

Do you seriously think anyone is afraid of that clawless, toothless sad old bear anymore son. Nukes is all they have but if they don’t mind their children burning alive to salve Putin’s twisted ego then Que sera sera 🤷🏻‍♂️Nothing anyone can do about that.

Anybody who denies that NATO has been expanding has missed the train.

Yes. NATO should have been dismantled at the same time as the Warsaw pact. Yes, NATO is expanding. And, yes, NATO costs a whole load of money which could better be spent on better things (education, housing, health, etc.).

Anyone suggesting Russia is anywhere near normal has not only missed the train, but missed the bloody train station as well.

Putin let himself get baited into this craphole of a drama. As pointed out even before it started: there is no win-scenario for Russia in this.
Anything gained will be temporary. Whether by force or whether by surrender.

And the weapons lobby is rubbing its puffy little hands in delight.

Bastards. As Solzhenitsyn once said: "A plague on both their houses."

@kevcvs57 said
Do you seriously think anyone is afraid of that clawless, toothless sad old bear anymore son. Nukes is all they have but if they don’t mind their children burning alive to salve Putin’s twisted ego then Que sera sera 🤷🏻‍♂️Nothing anyone can do about that.

I don't think you understand.
There may be no winner in a nuclear war, but you will not be funding a proxy war in Ukraine anymore. You will have other priorities addressing the disaster. Then you will find out NATO nations will not go to war with Russia like they agreed to. They will be too terrified of being nuked from a submarine.

Nukes have a way of making enemies lose their will to fight. If Russia thinks it's existence is threatened they will use nukes. Putin already told everyone he is not bluffing and he is not.

@kevcvs57 said
I’m 66 mate bring it on. Have you prepared yourself I’m absolutely sure St Petersburg will be a target

This "troll from Olgino" fools no one.
Encrypted code with double-firewalled VPN couldn't hide this obvious IRA prop-operator.

Well-organized pomposity hides itself not.

@shavixmir said
Anybody who denies that NATO has been expanding has missed the train.

Yes. NATO should have been dismantled at the same time as the Warsaw pact. Yes, NATO is expanding. And, yes, NATO costs a whole load of money which could better be spent on better things (education, housing, health, etc.).

Anyone suggesting Russia is anywhere near normal has not only missed the tr ...[text shortened]... y little hands in delight.

Bastards. As Solzhenitsyn once said: "A plague on both their houses."

"Putin let himself get baited into this craphole of a drama. As pointed out even before it started: there is no win-scenario for Russia in this.
Anything gained will be temporary. Whether by force or whether by surrender."

First of all, Russia lost Ukraine because the USA took it by coup. Russia got baited because they didn't invade immediately after the coup, something I am sure they regret.

Russia will not surrender. They will use nukes first. Isn't that painfully obvious?
This is a no win-scenario for everyone involved, not just Russia. NATO members are gambling here. They are gambling that Putin is bluffing despite him saying he was not. It is a stupid thing to do. The USA and UK are run by megalomaniacs bent on world domination.

Ask yourself why they didn't just stop expanding NATO. That would have been the safest thing to do. Instead.......

@metal-brain said
"Putin let himself get baited into this craphole of a drama. As pointed out even before it started: there is no win-scenario for Russia in this.
Anything gained will be temporary. Whether by force or whether by surrender."

First of all, Russia lost Ukraine because the USA took it by coup. Russia got baited because they didn't invade immediately after the coup, somethi ...[text shortened]... hy they didn't just stop expanding NATO. That would have been the safest thing to do. Instead.......

Twist, writhe and lie as you please.

But this one fact is clear:

- If Putin chooses to use nuclear weapons: He will be utterly destroyed.

EOS

NATO isn't going to engage in nuclear war over the Ukraine. That's why NATO made the statement that any NATO country attacked by Russia would result in war. They put a line down and the Ukraine has nothing to do with it so Putin can launch them if he wants to.
Putin can use tactical nuclear weapons on the Ukraine which are smaller in scope than strategic nuclear weapons. Hopefully that does happen. It will teach NATO a lesson. Stop your expansion and stop funding wars that have nothing to do with you.

Ending the world as we know it, over the Ukraine, is not going to happen.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2022/09/29/what-would-happen-if-putin-ordered-a-nuclear-strike-in-ukraine/

@metal-brain said
I don't think you understand.
There may be no winner in a nuclear war, but you will not be funding a proxy war in Ukraine anymore. You will have other priorities addressing the disaster. Then you will find out NATO nations will not go to war with Russia like they agreed to. They will be too terrified of being nuked from a submarine.

Nukes have a way of making enemies ...[text shortened]... nce is threatened they will use nukes. Putin already told everyone he is not bluffing and he is not.

Your really stupid if you think NATO will think twice about nuking Russia if it chooses that path and the UK itself has enough to say bye bye to Moscow and St Petersburg so you better leave town anyway.
You keep telling the same lie about Russia’s existence being threatened but it’s still a lie.
Russia’s choice is whether or not to get nuked and or totally bankrupt and destitute in order to hold onto some else’s territory.
As I’ve said this before it’s like the uk risking nuclear war to hold onto a part of its old empire. It’s delusional and stupid

@@887177 said
NATO isn't going to engage in nuclear war over the Ukraine. That's why NATO made the statement that any NATO country attacked by Russia would result in war. They put a line down and the Ukraine has nothing to do with it so Putin can launch them if he wants to.
Putin can use tactical nuclear weapons on the Ukraine which are smaller in scope than strategic nuclear weapons. Hop ...[text shortened]... rbes.com/sites/roberthart/2022/09/29/what-would-happen-if-putin-ordered-a-nuclear-strike-in-ukraine/

The only one engaging in war is the scumbag Putin, unlike you I have no idea what the NATO response might be, I do not think they will start lobbing tactical nukes back at Russia but they may decide to intervene with the conventional forces and roll Russia out of Ukraine in very short order which is exactly what they deserve and a lesson they sorely need to learn. Or they may just ramp up sanctions to the point of literally blockading Russia and apply sanctions to anyone who breaks the blockade.
The decision to go to war with NATO will always be one that Putin has to make.
The idea of using tactical nuclear weapons on a non nuclear country in the 21st century is so disgustingly cowardly that it might warrant the west rearming Ukraine with the nuclear deterrent they gave up when they gained independence. Given that Russia has not kept its guarantee regarding Ukraines territorial sovereignty it’s a perfectly justifiable move.

@kevcvs57 said
Your really stupid if you think NATO will think twice about nuking Russia if it chooses that path and the UK itself has enough to say bye bye to Moscow and St Petersburg so you better leave town anyway.
You keep telling the same lie about Russia’s existence being threatened but it’s still a lie.
Russia’s choice is whether or not to get nuked and or totally bankrupt and des ...[text shortened]... ’s like the uk risking nuclear war to hold onto a part of its old empire. It’s delusional and stupid

Are you saying that if Russia nukes the USA and UK the rest of NATO will risk being nuked too? I doubt it. They will be like turtles pulling their heads into their shells. Promises are made to be broken. NATO will dissolve and Russia knows it. France will not invite a nuclear attack by nuking Russia. Why would they? They will stay out of it.

NATO is a joke. Who wants to be nuked by Russia?

@metal-brain said
"Putin let himself get baited into this craphole of a drama. As pointed out even before it started: there is no win-scenario for Russia in this.
Anything gained will be temporary. Whether by force or whether by surrender."

First of all, Russia lost Ukraine because the USA took it by coup. Russia got baited because they didn't invade immediately after the coup, somethi ...[text shortened]... hy they didn't just stop expanding NATO. That would have been the safest thing to do. Instead.......

Damn, you are naieve.

What’s Russia’s end game in this?

The West want to financially cripple Russia, get rid of the oligarchs and bring it to the capitalist’s heel. Lots of juicy resources to be divided up into international investment.

What’s Russia’s goal?
And how achievable is it with the might of the rest of the world financing Ukraine and sanctioning Russia?
And Russia knew this before they started.

So, what did Putin ever hope to achieve? A nuclear war?
No. He wanted to block NATO’s expansion and annex Ukraine into the Mother land.

But, even if he achieved that by military might, he would face decades of insurrection, rebellion and foreign sanctions and meddling. Draining Russia’s resources until they staggered into their next Afghanistan.

It was ever a no-win scenario.
So, what the hell’s Putin doing? Now he’s illegally annexed 4 regions by the most moronic referenda I’ve ever bloody witnessed. That will never work. It won’t hold.

Don’t get me wrong, the Eastern area of Ukraine is Russian speaking and they did suffer racism and racist policies by the Ukrainian government.
But Putin should have known he was being baited into a drama he can’t possibly win. And he should have aimed for diplomatic solutions based on legitimate criticism.

So, either Putin is retarded.
Or he knew he was being baited and went along with it anyway. Why? What’s his end game then?

Equally, it’s a very expensive gamble by the West. The whole history of Russia leads to many conclusions. And one of them is that they always bounce back in their own way.
So, the chances of Western capitalism getting their way aren’t very high in the long run.

Joes strategy is brilliant:

If you don't know what you're doing, how can the enemy know what you're doing.

Genius.