The West want to financially cripple Russia, get rid of the oligarchs and bring it to the capitalist’s heel. Lots of juicy resources to be divided up into international investment.
What’s Russia’s goal?
And how achievable is it with the might of the rest of the world financing Ukraine and sanctioning Russia? ...[text shortened]... own way.
So, the chances of Western capitalism getting their way aren’t very high in the long run.
Russia's goal is to continue to exist.
Their existence is being threatened.
@kevcvs57said Your really stupid if you think NATO will think twice about nuking Russia if it chooses that path and the UK itself has enough to say bye bye to Moscow and St Petersburg so you better leave town anyway.
You keep telling the same lie about Russia’s existence being threatened but it’s still a lie.
Russia’s choice is whether or not to get nuked and or totally bankrupt and des ...[text shortened]... ’s like the uk risking nuclear war to hold onto a part of its old empire. It’s delusional and stupid
You are fooling yourself. In 2014 the USA overthrew the democratically elected leader of Ukraine and replaced him with a dictator. That is what led to this war. Read the letter Retired Virginia State Senator and retired Marine Col. Richard Black wrote.
@metal-brainsaid Russia's goal is to continue to exist.
Their existence is being threatened.
If you cannot see that you are naive.
Russia attacked Ukraine and have embarked upon a journey of brutality: murder, rape, genocide even. Putin has land grabbed and annexed large sections of Ukraine using sham referenda in an attempt to legitimise the move and now Russia is threatening a nuclear strike against Ukraine if they or anyone else intervenes.
How you can see a fundamental opposite to this situation is beyond me and I have to rationalise your behaviour by assuming you are just a disenfranchised Republican old man who is armchair trolling this forum, because you cannot be as stupid as you post.
@divegeestersaid Russia attacked Ukraine and have embarked upon a journey of brutality: murder, rape, genocide even. Putin has land grabbed and annexed large sections of Ukraine using sham referenda in an attempt to legitimise the move and now Russia is threatening a nuclear strike against Ukraine if they or anyone else intervenes.
How you can see a fundamental opposite to this situat ...[text shortened]... Republican old man who is armchair trolling this forum, because you cannot be as stupid as you post.
In 2014 the USA overthrew the democratically elected leader of Ukraine and replaced him with a dictator. That is what led to this war. Read the letter Retired Virginia State Senator and retired Marine Col. Richard Black wrote.
You are not getting the whole story. My government overthrew a democratically elected leader in a coup. Ukraine is no longer a democracy because of that. It is the same thing they did in Iran in 1953. My government overthrew a democratically elected leader in a coup. Then they installed the Shah, a puppet dictator.
You don't seem to respect democracy. You think dictators are good as long as they are our dictators.
@sonhousesaid @Metal-Brain YOU POS, the Ukraine government before Zelinsky was as corrupt as they get but you wouldn't want to talk about THAT bit would you?
Can you point to a time Ukraine was not corrupt?
Is the corruption all Russia's fault? That seems to be what you are implying.
70% of Western weapons sent to Ukraine don’t reach troops. Ukraine is just as corrupt now if not more so and the west is rewarding Zelenskyy for it. I am sure that puppet dictator has his hands in all of it. That is his reward for being an obedient puppet sacrificing his own people in an unwinnable war.
@metal-brainsaid NATO is gambling that Putin will not use nukes despite Putin saying it is not a bluff.
You really are dense, aren't you?
When someone outright states that a threat is not a bluff, that is when you know it is definitely a bluff. Otherwise, they wouldn't have felt the need to deny it.
When someone outright states that a threat is not a bluff, that is when you know it is definitely a bluff. Otherwise, they wouldn't have felt the need to deny it.
Do you have a basement to live in until the radiation fallout passes?
If not, who do you know with a basement?
@metal-brainsaid Russia's goal is to continue to exist.
Their existence is being threatened.
If you cannot see that you are naive.
Stop lying and stop being stupid
Russia’s aim is clear and its to expand and enslave as many non Russians as they can using the threat of nuclear weapons because their conventional forces have been under funded and under invested in for 30yrs whilst Putin and his oligarchs stole the wealth that belonged to the Russian people
@kevcvs57said Stop lying and stop being stupid
Russia’s aim is clear and its to expand and enslave as many non Russians as they can using the threat of nuclear weapons because their conventional forces have been under funded and under invested in for 30yrs whilst Putin and his oligarchs stole the wealth that belonged to the Russian people
Your lies are getting more bold. Enslave? LOL
Is he Darth Vader now? You silly man.
@kevcvs57said Just like a scumbag Russian fascist, always wearing jackboots and always with the threats. I hope they nice basements in Moscow and St Petersburg.
So you accept Putin might use a nuke when he has his back to the wall.
Now you know that will lead to WW3. That is pretty much what Petraeus said. The NATO response he described means WW3. Now you know.
@metal-brainsaid Are you saying that if Russia nukes the USA and UK the rest of NATO will risk being nuked too? I doubt it. They will be like turtles pulling their heads into their shells. Promises are made to be broken. NATO will dissolve and Russia knows it. France will not invite a nuclear attack by nuking Russia. Why would they? They will stay out of it.
NATO is a joke. Who wants to be nuked by Russia?
If NATO is a joke, why does it bother Putin if NATO is expanding?
When someone outright states that a threat is not a bluff, that is when you know it is definitely a bluff. Otherwise, they wouldn't have felt the need to deny it.
"Never believe anything until it has been officially denied."
@moonbussaid If NATO is a joke, why does it bother Putin if NATO is expanding?
Gotcha.
I said if a nuclear war broke out NATO obligations would fracture to some extent. Not every country is going to risk getting nuked. NATO expanding bothers him because it brings NATO nukes to Russia's doorstep. Everybody hates that. Cuban missile crisis for example. The USA hates it too. Nobody likes it.
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