Now that our beloved President Donald J Trump has stood on the world stage in Helsinki and flipped the middle finger to America's law enforcement and intelligence communities by taking the word of a murdering dictator and former KGB operative over his own intel. people with a mountain of evidence to backup their claims of Russian interference in the 2016 election. Will this finally be what it takes for his followers to begin to lose faith in "The Donald?" Will this finally move the needle? I'd put the odds at 1 chance in 3. Any other guess's?
Originally posted by @mchillIf you wish hard enough and believe, really believe...
Now that our beloved President Donald J Trump has stood on the world stage in Helsinki and flipped the middle finger to America's law enforcement and intelligence communities by taking the word of a murdering dictator and former KGB operative over his own intel. people with a mountain of evidence to backup their claims of Russian interference in the 2016 ele ...[text shortened]... onald?" Will this finally move the needle? I'd put the odds at 1 chance in 3. Any other guess's?
then all of your dreams will come true. 😵
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17 Jul 18
Originally posted by @mchillwanna go fishing?
Now that our beloved President Donald J Trump has stood on the world stage in Helsinki and flipped the middle finger to America's law enforcement and intelligence communities by taking the word of a murdering dictator and former KGB operative over his own intel. people with a mountain of evidence to backup their claims of Russian interference in the 2016 ele ...[text shortened]... onald?" Will this finally move the needle? I'd put the odds at 1 chance in 3. Any other guess's?
17 Jul 18
Originally posted by @mchillThe conspiracy theory of Russian collusion will be met with a conspiracy theory that US intelligence is conspiring against Trump. What are they gonna do then, make fun of conspiracy theories?
Now that our beloved President Donald J Trump has stood on the world stage in Helsinki and flipped the middle finger to America's law enforcement and intelligence communities by taking the word of a murdering dictator and former KGB operative over his own intel. people with a mountain of evidence to backup their claims of Russian interference in the 2016 ele ...[text shortened]... onald?" Will this finally move the needle? I'd put the odds at 1 chance in 3. Any other guess's?
That combined with the reality that the FBI has not really shown evidence of Russian hacking and is merely saying they have it will create enough doubt for the partisan defending of Trump to continue.
Originally posted by @metal-brainWhile everyone is obsessed with who can muddy the waters better, the probe continues.
The conspiracy theory of Russian collusion will be met with a conspiracy theory that US intelligence is conspiring against Trump. What are they gonna do then, make fun of conspiracy theories?
That combined with the reality that the FBI has not really shown evidence of Russian hacking and is merely saying they have it will create enough doubt for the partisan defending of Trump to continue.
The new twist to the equation is exactly what today's events will do to the Trump base.
Given that the Trump base is about 25%, the better question is what will happen with the "not fully committed" vote.
Getting into wishful thinking about throwing more mud at the opposition won't get to the bottom of the problems in your great country.
Of course, maybe that's what you want
After all, you are locked in a life and death civil war with the liberals, aren't ya ? 😀
17 Jul 18
Originally posted by @mghrn55Last I heard Trump's base was close to 40%. I doubt that has changed much in 2 weeks.
While everyone is obsessed with who can muddy the waters better, the probe continues.
The new twist to the equation is exactly what today's events will do to the Trump base.
Given that the Trump base is about 25%, the better question is what will happen with the "not fully committed" vote.
Getting into wishful thinking about throwing more mud at th ...[text shortened]... want
After all, you are locked in a life and death civil war with the liberals, aren't ya ? 😀
There is no proof of Russian government hacking we have seen. The FBI reports they have proof that they never offer the public. It is completely dependent on faith in the FBI. That fact will not elude the common people forever.
Originally posted by @mchillTrump still scores reasonably high on the quality of being a "strong leader". I suspect his acting like Putin's poodle plus the bashing he got even from usually friendly sources like Fox News and Tea Partiers like Amash might cause his approval ratings to dip a bit.
Now that our beloved President Donald J Trump has stood on the world stage in Helsinki and flipped the middle finger to America's law enforcement and intelligence communities by taking the word of a murdering dictator and former KGB operative over his own intel. people with a mountain of evidence to backup their claims of Russian interference in the 2016 ele ...[text shortened]... onald?" Will this finally move the needle? I'd put the odds at 1 chance in 3. Any other guess's?
5% by the end of next week is my guess.
17 Jul 18
Originally posted by @mchillThe odds are much lower. Trump has already polluted the credibility of US Intelligence community in a way that the stormtroopers will regard the word of Putin over their own agencies.
Now that our beloved President Donald J Trump has stood on the world stage in Helsinki and flipped the middle finger to America's law enforcement and intelligence communities by taking the word of a murdering dictator and former KGB operative over his own intel. people with a mountain of evidence to backup their claims of Russian interference in the 2016 ele ...[text shortened]... onald?" Will this finally move the needle? I'd put the odds at 1 chance in 3. Any other guess's?
The saddest thing about is that this is only the latest in a long string of attacks. One of the biggest benefits from the long alliance between the US and Europe is the common threat assessment and cooperation between international agencies. Putin wants this gone, of course, and Trump will continue to try to make it happen.
As an indicator you can use the Trumpians from this forum. They will keep doing their victim mentality and whataboutarim ad nauseam and otherwise disregard what is happening around them.
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17 Jul 18
Originally posted by @ponderable....or tow the Party line?
sometimes is is necessary to wave the sarcasm flag...
17 Jul 18
Originally posted by @no1marauderMy bet is on a dip from 42% to 41%.
Trump still scores reasonably high on the quality of being a "strong leader". I suspect his acting like Putin's poodle plus the bashing he got even from usually friendly sources like Fox News and Tea Partiers like Amash might cause his approval ratings to dip a bit.
5% by the end of next week is my guess.
Trump's cultists are too invested for this incident to trigger introspection. It will make it all the more amusing when they finally have to, though - at least, the not completely batdroppings insane part of the not-Clinton voters. Speaking of not-Clinton voters, are you regretting casting the wrong vote yet?
17 Jul 18
Originally posted by @mchillYeah, not holding my breath.
Now that our beloved President Donald J Trump has stood on the world stage in Helsinki and flipped the middle finger to America's law enforcement and intelligence communities by taking the word of a murdering dictator and former KGB operative over his own intel. people with a mountain of evidence to backup their claims of Russian interference in the 2016 ele ...[text shortened]... onald?" Will this finally move the needle? I'd put the odds at 1 chance in 3. Any other guess's?