29 Aug 17
Originally posted by @finneganYou posts are rambling nonsense. Politicians don't have quid pro quo deals to get prison donations. In the real world people have philosophies. Perhaps Pence believed in being tougher on crime. Those who make prisons have a similar view. They support him. You have a different view you wouldn't support him. Despite your earlier claims this has absolutely nothing to do with entrapment or slavery.
It is easy to distinguish between slaves and prisoners given an opportunity to work by examining the sanctions applied to prisoners who decline to work.
It is easy to see that when a politician like Pence artificially sets about doubling all the prison terms in his state, while accepting payments from the prison companies lobbying for such increases, t ...[text shortened]... th a brain, which improves if we choose to exercise it and atrophies if we settle for blah blah.
There are millions of stories about people who took advantage of their free public education or the free libraries. There are millions of people who were educated many on scholarship and lived great lives. No one needs to be a criminal and no one other than the person who commits crime is responsible for their crimes.
The capitalistic system is the most wonderful system we have. People work hard, make things better for themselves and get to keep their earnings. Not that my personal experience means much, but I've done well for myself because simply it's easy when you are willing to work hard and not blame others. We should have smaller government and less interference from people like yourself who want to pick winners and losers. If we do so, everyone who is interested in achieving will be able to do so.
Originally posted by @quackquackAre you dumb enough to imagine that is what her sentence even implies?
Are you dumb enough to suggest that the US and Nazi Germany are identical?
(Sadly you probably are. :-( You are plain wrong however. )
29 Aug 17
Originally posted by @quackquackIf you were really interested in "smaller government", you'd want to reduce its proclivity of putting its People behind bars.
You posts are rambling nonsense. Politicians don't have quid pro quo deals to get prison donations. In the real world people have philosophies. Perhaps Pence believed in being tougher on crime. Those who make prisons have a similar view. They support him. You have a different view you wouldn't support him. Despite your earlier claims this has abs ...[text shortened]... winners and losers. If we do so, everyone who is interested in achieving will be able to do so.
Interesting stats:
“Between 1970 and 2000 the number of people incarcerated in the United States skyrocketed from 200,000 to 2.3 million, a ten-fold increase. In 1930, 75% of all prison admissions were Caucasian, and 22% were African-Americans. In 1992, 29% of the prison admissions were Caucasian; while 51% were African-American and 20% were Hispanic. Today, two-thirds of the prisoners are African-Americans and Hispanics.” – Avakian S, “ Racial Disparity Among the Incarcerated,” Law, Social Justice & Global Development Journal
29 Aug 17
Originally posted by @quackquack
You posts are rambling nonsense. Politicians don't have quid pro quo deals to get prison donations. In the real world people have philosophies. Perhaps Pence believed in being tougher on crime. Those who make prisons have a similar view. They support him. You have a different view you wouldn't support him. Despite your earlier claims this has abs ...[text shortened]... winners and losers. If we do so, everyone who is interested in achieving will be able to do so.
Politicians don't have quid pro quo deals to get prison donations.
1. The lobbies spend very big sums in pursuit of their goals.
2. The politicians benefit from those very big sums.
3. Pence was an example.
4. The evidence is overwhelming.
5. Why do you think politicians are entitled to express their "philosophies" in the form of locking up humans and throwing away the key, leaving them in servitude to wealthy corporations? The word for a philosophy of that variety is fascism. Have you a better word?
6. You don't have to be a criminal to be locked up in a US prison.
7. The time you spend in a prison is not rationally related either to your crime or to the potential benefits of prison. There is no social or personal benefit involved and the concept of punishment cannot be used when the sentences are arbitary and excessive.
29 Aug 17
Originally posted by @finneganHer sentences does imply a parallel between the systematic killing of Nazis and the US today. It has no value other than its offensive nature and it weakens any arguments you may have, if you believe it actually supports your beliefs.
Are you dumb enough to imagine that is what her sentence even implies?
(Sadly you probably are. :-( You are plain wrong however. )
29 Aug 17
Originally posted by @finneganWhile I certainly believe that some corporations and rich folks have found the increase in prison populations to be a fertile source of profits, the rise itself which started in the 1970s did not occur because of this.Politicians don't have quid pro quo deals to get prison donations.
1. The lobbies spend very big sums in pursuit of their goals.
2. The politicians benefit from those very big sums.
3. Pence was an example.
4. The evidence is overwhelming.
5. Why do you think politicians are entitled to express their "philosophies" in the form ...[text shortened]... lved and the concept of punishment cannot be used when the sentences are arbitary and excessive.
29 Aug 17
Originally posted by @quackquackYou wrote: "Are you dumb enough to suggest that the US and Nazi Germany are identical?"
Her sentences does imply a parallel between the systematic killing of Nazis and the US today. It has no value other than its offensive nature and it weakens any arguments you may have, if you believe it actually supports your beliefs.
Not " [Are you dumb enough to]imply a parallel between the systematic killing of Nazis and the US today."
And I responded to what you wrote.
She made no reference to systematic killing of Nazis, though I am not sure who you think systematically killed the Nazis.
29 Aug 17
Originally posted by @no1marauder
While I certainly believe that some corporations and rich folks have found the increase in prison populations to be a fertile source of profits, the rise itself which started in the 1970s did not occur because of this.
Private prison companies, which stand to make big gains under President Trump’s tough new immigration orders, also have contributed big sums to pro-Trump groups, including the organization that raised a record $100 million for his inauguration last month.
GEO Group, one of the nation’s largest for-profit prison operators, donated $250,000 to support Trump’s inaugural festivities, Pablo Paez, the company’s vice president of corporate relations, told USA TODAY.
That’s on top of the $225,000 that a company subsidiary donated to a super PAC that spent some $22 million to help elect the real-estate magnate. Another prison operator, CoreCivic, gave $250,000 to support Trump’s inauguration, recently filed congressional reports show.
For-profit prison companies' hopes for significant gains under the Trump administration already are coming to fruition. On Thursday, the Justice Department rescinded an Obama administration order to phase out the use of private-prison contracts in the federal Bureau of Prisons.
Earlier this week, the Department of Homeland Security issued sweeping new instructions to carry out Trump’s executive orders on immigration. They require all federal agents — including Customs and Border Protection (CBP) and Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) — to identify, capture and quickly deport undocumented immigrants.
Significantly for private-prison operators, the orders also require that undocumented people caught entering the country be detained until their cases are resolved, ending the “catch and release” program in which undocumented immigrants were processed by immigration agents, released into the USA and ordered to reappear for court hearings.
The new directives call for construction of more jails along the southwest border to accommodate the additional detainees. About 65% of Homeland Security detainees last year were held in privately run facilities.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/02/23/private-prisons-back-trump-and-could-see-big-payoffs-new-policies/98300394/
29 Aug 17
Originally posted by @finneganBy your definition everything is quid pro quo. Liberal politician says he'll raise the minimum wage or give some stupid union a better contract. He gets lots of money from liberal group who has similar views. Politician implements campaign promise. This is no different than your prison example -- it's just that you are more likely to support the change. Frankly, to me both examples are a little shady and it is why we should have smaller government but certainly no one is a criminal.Politicians don't have quid pro quo deals to get prison donations.
1. The lobbies spend very big sums in pursuit of their goals.
2. The politicians benefit from those very big sums.
3. Pence was an example.
4. The evidence is overwhelming.
5. Why do you think politicians are entitled to express their "philosophies" in the form ...[text shortened]... lved and the concept of punishment cannot be used when the sentences are arbitary and excessive.
Unless a mistake is made (and unfortunately no system is perfect), you DO HAVE TO BE A CRIMINAL to be locked up in a US prison and the time you spend is related to your crime. Your statement to the contrary is simply false.
29 Aug 17
Originally posted by @finneganDo you think that article refutes my premise?
[quote] Private prison companies, which stand to make big gains under President Trump’s tough new immigration orders, also have contributed big sums to pro-Trump groups, including the organization that raised a record $100 million for his inauguration last month.
GEO Group, one of the nation’s largest for-profit prison operators, donated $250,000 to sup ...[text shortened]... /politics/2017/02/23/private-prisons-back-trump-and-could-see-big-payoffs-new-policies/98300394/