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KazetNagorra
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13 Jul '20 18:11
@joe-shmo said
How about this...staying in the US where rates are consistent.

West Virginia - Poverty Rate 17.8 % - Homicide - 3.7
Maryland - Poverty Rate 9% - Homicide 8.1

The states above share border.

Explain?
I never suggested or implied that poverty is the only factor that determines violent crime rates.
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13 Jul '20 18:19
@kazetnagorra said
I never suggested or implied that poverty is the only factor that determines violent crime rates.
I'm all ears...don't hold back.
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@kazetnagorra said
I never suggested or implied that poverty is the only factor that determines violent crime rates.
Oh....really? Is that so?

@joe-shmo said
Poverty isn't the the full picture. How do you reconcile the fact that most of the poorest states in the US, have the highest gun ownership rates and are among the least violent?

@kazetnagorra said
These states have very high rates of violent crime compared to wealthy countries that have effectively tackled poverty.

Sure seems like you " implied it?
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13 Jul '20 18:44
@kazetnagorra said
I never suggested or implied that poverty is the only factor that determines violent crime rates.
I can tell you what SINGLE factor results in violent crime rates worldwide.
Would you like me to tell you?
You gotta promise not to complain about it if I do.
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13 Jul '20 18:48
@joe-shmo said
I'm all ears...don't hold back.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistical_correlations_of_criminal_behaviour
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13 Jul '20 18:49
It's worth posting again because it shows a very strong correlation between
fatherless homes, poverty, and crime.

Statistics show that women-only households are more likely to live below the poverty line. In 2016, the U.S. Census Bureau reported that these types of families increased to 28 percent. This leaves children vulnerable to a variety of social hardships throughout their lives.

So this sets up poverty is somewhat a result of fatherless homes.

"Young men who grow up in homes without fathers are twice as likely to end up in jail as those who come from traditional two-parent families...those boys whose fathers were absent from the household had double the odds of being incarcerated -- even when other factors such as race, income, parent education and urban residence were held constant." (Harper C, McLanahan SS. Cited in Father Absence and Youth Incarceration. Journal of Research on Adolescence. 2004.)

So we see that children from fatherless families do end up in jail far more often.

Other side effects:
Suicide: 63 percent of youth suicides
Runaways: 90 percent of all homeless and runaway youths
Behavioral Disorders: 85 percent of all children that exhibit behavioral disorders
High School Dropouts: 71 percent of all high school dropouts
Juvenile Detention Rates: 70 percent of juveniles in state-operated institutions
Substance Abuse: 75 percent of adolescent patients in substance abuse centers
Aggression: 75 percent of rapists motivated by displaced anger

all above from:
https://www.liveabout.com/fatherless-children-in-america-statistics-1270392

70% of youths in state-operated institutions come from fatherless homes – 9 times the average. (U.S. Dept. of Justice, Sept. 1988)
85% of all youths in prison come from fatherless homes – 20 times the average. (Fulton Co. Georgia, Texas Dept. of Correction)

And NOBODY admits that there is a correlation.

amazing. It's called the Law Offices of Duck, Dodge, and Hyde.
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13 Jul '20 18:51
@earl-of-trumps said
It's worth posting again because it shows a very strong correlation between
fatherless homes, poverty, and crime.

[i]Statistics show that women-only households are more likely to live below the poverty line. In 2016, the U.S. Census Bureau reported that these types of families increased to 28 percent. This leaves children vulnerable to a variety of social hardships ...[text shortened]... dmits that there is a correlation.

amazing. It's called the Law Offices of Duck, Dodge, and Hyde.
If only there was a way to reduce poverty in single-parent households...
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@kazetnagorra said
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistical_correlations_of_criminal_behaviour
bravo...

To be clear, the answer you gave to this:

How about this...staying in the US where rates are consistent.

West Virginia - Poverty Rate 17.8 % - Homicide - 3.7
Maryland - Poverty Rate 9% - Homicide 8.1

The states above share border.

Explain?

was: I don't have an explanation.
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13 Jul '20 20:04
@earl-of-trumps said
It's worth posting again because it shows a very strong correlation between
fatherless homes, poverty, and crime.

[i]Statistics show that women-only households are more likely to live below the poverty line. In 2016, the U.S. Census Bureau reported that these types of families increased to 28 percent. This leaves children vulnerable to a variety of social hardships ...[text shortened]... dmits that there is a correlation.

amazing. It's called the Law Offices of Duck, Dodge, and Hyde.
“ Statistics show that women-only households are more likely to live below the poverty line. In 2016, the U.S. Census Bureau reported that these types of families increased to 28 percent. This leaves children vulnerable to a variety of social hardships throughout their lives. ”
(steps back in amazement)

“ "Young men who grow up in homes without fathers are twice as likely to end up in jail as those who come from traditional two-parent families...those boys whose fathers were absent from the household had double the odds of being incarcerated -- even when other factors such as race, income, parent education and urban residence were held constant." (Harper C, McLanahan SS. Cited in Father Absence and Youth Incarceration. Journal of Research on Adolescence. 2004.)”
(Steps further back in amazement)
What’s your point earl, given that this is cyclical what sort of ground level intervention are you proposing.
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@kevcvs57

As I posted in length in here earlier, there is no doubt that children have to be
taught to respect one and another. Who will do this? The parents and the
teachers. Parents is plural. So you know where I come from.

Good minds and emotionally healthy people are more resilient to such simple
things as poverty. Cripes, I grew up poor. So what? The first job I had was
less than minimum and I took it because I really wanted spending money.
It didn't kill me. Looking back on my life, I'd say I was made impervious to
such trivialities as poverty. There are far bigger forces out there than that.

And I know the politics. The left will never admit that the nuclear family offers
a more secure setting for children. Never admit that. But the statistics are
overwhelming.

Anyway, that's my take.
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13 Jul '20 20:54
@joe-shmo said
bravo...

To be clear, the answer you gave to this:

How about this...staying in the US where rates are consistent.

West Virginia - Poverty Rate 17.8 % - Homicide - 3.7
Maryland - Poverty Rate 9% - Homicide 8.1

The states above share border.

Explain?

was: I don't have an explanation.
Associated factors include areas with population size, neighborhood quality, residential mobility, tavern and alcohol density, gambling and tourist density, proximity to the equator,[1] temperature (weather and season).
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@kazetnagorra said
Associated factors include areas with population size, neighborhood quality, residential mobility, tavern and alcohol density, gambling and tourist density, proximity to the equator,[1] temperature (weather and season).
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13 Jul '20 20:58
@earl-of-trumps said
@kevcvs57

As I posted in length in here earlier, there is no doubt that children have to be
taught to respect one and another. Who will do this? The parents and the
teachers. Parents is plural. So you know where I come from.

Good minds and emotionally healthy people are more resilient to such simple
things as poverty. Cripes, I grew up poor. So what? The fi ...[text shortened]... ng for children. Never admit that. But the statistics are
overwhelming.

Anyway, that's my take.
Some of the reasons that children growing up in single-parent households are more likely to engage in crime are that:
1) those households are poorer on average,
2) the social status of single-household people is lower.

Your "solution" consists of making both problems worse by promoting pro-poverty policies and demonizing single parents.
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13 Jul '20 22:291 edit
@KazetNagorra
Some of the reasons that children growing up in single-parent households are more likely to engage in crime are that:
1) those households are poorer on average,
2) the social status of single-household people is lower.

The figure "85%" of prisoners are fatherless sticks out more than anything
displayed concerning poverty. By far. It can't be ignored. Not 85% of everyone
that goes through divorce is poor.

Your "solution" consists of making both problems worse by promoting pro-poverty policies and demonizing single parents.

I am not promoting poverty.

If you promote divorce or single parentdom, then by your own words, you are
supporting poverty. No way for you to back out of that.

I am not supportive of single parentdom. It has been a miserable failure.

Remember, there has always been and will always be some with more than
others, setting up the relativistic term, poor. It's not a gene and it is not
a bonafide way to stunt mental growth.

It does, however give the left just cause to do their economic leveling of society,
and that's the real plaint they have.
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14 Jul '20 00:40
@earl-of-trumps said
@KazetNagorra
Some of the reasons that children growing up in single-parent households are more likely to engage in crime are that:
1) those households are poorer on average,
2) the social status of single-household people is lower.

The figure "85%" of prisoners are fatherless sticks out more than anything
displayed concerning poverty. By far. It ca ...[text shortened]... he left just cause to do their economic leveling of society,
and that's the real plaint they have.
You seem a little bit naive. Not every fatherless household has "gone through divorce". Watch Game of Thrones. Notice all the bastards running around?

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