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How do know what’s true? Truth; debate

How do know what’s true? Truth; debate

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The link is to StarTalk with Neil Degrasse Tyson.
In it they’re debating what truth is.
It’s quite long, but really interesting.

The difference between personal truths and “objective” truths.
With, obviously, scientific truths being relative to the information you have at the time, and new information can change that truth.

The dragon in the garage example is excellent.
And the guest really explains it quite well.

How do you define what’s true for you? Do you check your truths at all? Do you use outside your loop feedback to check it?

Take a subject like UFO’s: are they aliens?
Do you differentiate between your personal truth on the matter (what you believe) and what’s actually provable?
Do you even need proof? And if not, is that then a truth or just you wishing something into existence?

And this obviously comes down to politics as well. What makes you believe someone and not someone else? Is it the personality of the politician? Or is it “just because his/ her politics align with yours” ?

And how do you check that?


@shavixmir
The irony is that Neil Degrasse Tyson is a global warming alarmist. What he believes is not true, but he probably honestly believes what he says. Not everyone he talks to knows about the Pliocene Epoch and how much warmer it was back then than now with the same CO2 levels. Since it was not the CO2 levels that caused the warming what was the cause? Alarmists do not want to acknowledge another cause. It is heresy to their religion.

Faith prevents people from believing the truth. Lots of people believe in god without any evidence. That means a lot of people do not want to accept truth. You are a good example. You did not want to accept the covid vaccines made available in the USA were made with gene therapy technology. Even after I proved it was true you refused to believe it. It was your religion to defend the gene vaccines and cling to lying so called fact checkers.

Political bias is like a religion. Faith is a huge obstacle to the truth. Like religion political bias is faith based. It makes people fight the truth. It took many debates with you to convince you mRNA vaccines were made with gene therapy technology. Debates are how you determine the truth.

Group think will not get you the truth. People you agree with will not lead you to the truth. You need to debate people you do not like to get the truth. Remember when you asked RHP to censor me for my opinions on the gene vaccines? The obstacle to the truth is you. You hate people that disagree with you and you want to censor debates, the very thing that allows truth to be known.

Censorship is the obstacle to truth because it ends debates. Big pharma convinced you with their propaganda that censorship was needed to save lives. Were lives saved by censorship?


@shavixmir

Can you admit you were fooled? A lot of people do not want to admit when they were fooled. I can. I used to defend RFK jr. and I don't anymore. he is a huge disappointment. Trump as well.

https://www.cnbc.com/2026/06/25/glyphosate-roundup-bayer-supreme-court-case-monsanto.html

Can you admit Fauci fooled you and regret believing his lies? Because if you are still defending his lies just how concerned can you really be about the truth? You defended the 1986 act in the USA that made vaccine makers immune from lawsuits. Now herbicide maker Bayer has been given limited liability for roundup. What is next? Pesticides? Plastics?


Neil Degrasse Tyson is pro trans in women's sports and he calls himself a scientist? 🤣

As for the original post, I think it's 70/30

70 percent facts that are undisputable and 30 percent believing whatever that person wants to believe and that solidifies whatever truth they want.

Humans aren't infallible.

I don't know. But that "scientist" is just running around guessing at everything and trying to be profound.

I used to watch him whenever he would end up on some show or something, but after he defended men playing in women's sports, I realized he has been compromised and woke out of fear.

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I once read a quote:

"I'm a scientists. I'm more excited when my theories a proven wrong than when they're proven right."

I think this was from a Star Trek character. It basically means that when he's proven wrong, there's more to learn and be discovered.

A quote from Brian Cox, particle physicist:
"Real scientists are delighted when they find out they are wrong. And to me that is one of the greatest gifts that a scientific education can bring. There are too many people in this world who want to be right. And too few who just want to know."

These quotes represent attitudes I strive for.

Politics and religion have too much personal investment for most people to be completely objective.

If a politician I support turns out to be a criminal, it would hurt. There's so much hope behind a candidate and to have that dashed because of inconvenient revelations is difficult. How do I face the opposition sneering in my face? Should I still support the criminal for the "greater good" of accomplishing my political party's goal?

Human emotions are a bitch. What "feels" right tends to matter more than what is right. This is why religious people can dismiss fictional stories about magic while believing in supernatural miracles.

If you are married to the person of your dreams and every day is wonderful, would you want to know if that person cheated on you? Is "truth" worth shattering the happiness you have?

Human emotions. Can lead to kindness, love or hate and malice. They can help us seek truth or cause us to reject it.

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@Pus said
Neil Degrasse Tyson is pro trans in women's sports and he calls himself a scientist? 🤣

As for the original post, I think it's 70/30

70 percent facts that are undisputable and 30 percent believing whatever that person wants to believe and that solidifies whatever truth they want.

Humans aren't infallible.

I don't know. But that "scientist" is just running around guessi ...[text shortened]... he defended men playing in women's sports, I realized he has been compromised and woke out of fear.
Do you have any beliefs that go outside of what's accepted by your political parties?

For example: I don't believe trans women should play in women's sports. I also despised both Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden.

Do you have any beliefs that are unpopular with other conservatives?

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@vivify

Her body Her choice, in regards to abortion.
Cons hate me when I say that. Not at the expense of the tax payer though.

Tax the rich more or make them remove automation and create jobs for people. They can choose which one.

Basic medical and dental should be available like Canada has it.

Nepotism is wrong and inheritance should be taxed heavily.

No foreign war interference.

God/Creator exists but organized religion is a cancer on the world.

Plenty of other stuff too but those are just off the top of my head.

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When it comes to politics, people should always check why they believe something.

Do you believe the 2020 U.S. election was stolen? Why do you believe this? And what objective evidence is there? Are you using multiple sources to check this or just the ones you like? What do most sources say about it?

Same for scientific claims. What do most sources say? Have you checked the evidence provided?

And most importantly: does the evidence contradict what you hope the truth is? If so, will that make you reject that evidence? Should you reject evidence just because you don't like it?

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@vivify

Their is no way that sleepy Joe Biden got 81 million votes when popular presidents of the past didn't even come close to that number.
The counters also blocked the windows late and all of a sudden, more votes for Biden.

I do not care about the 2020 election and never did. I don't know what happened.
Having Trump now is so much better than him having two terms in a row.


@vivify said
When it comes to politics, people should always check why they believe something.

Do you believe the 2020 U.S. election was stolen? Why do you believe this? And what objective evidence is there? Are you using multiple sources to check this or just the ones you like? What do most sources say about it?

Same for scientific claims. What do most sources say? Have you ch ...[text shortened]... will that make you reject that evidence? Should you reject evidence just because you don't like it?
There is evidence if you accept the report is the truth.

https://www.michigan.gov/-/media/Project/Websites/sos/30lawens/Antrim.pdf?rev=fbfe881cdc0043a9bb80b783d1bb5fe9

Democrats say the report is a pack of lies, but why didn't Dominion sue them for it if it is a pack of lies? I'm not defending Trump because I think he is a creep for killing people in Iran. I am just pointing out there is evidence if you accept the report as unbiased.

So now you have stumbled onto the perfect example of determining the truth being hard at times. Is the report true or false? And if it is false why doesn't Dominion sue them and cash in like they did suing Fox News Channel? and if it is true why did FNC settle instead of saying Allied Security Operations Group is their source and not Jeannine Pirro?


@shavixmir said
https://youtu.be/3yrcD4Ob3qw?is=L88AwGuZ6x4It1N8

The link is to StarTalk with Neil Degrasse Tyson.
In it they’re debating what truth is.
It’s quite long, but really interesting.

The difference between personal truths and “objective” truths.
With, obviously, scientific truths being relative to the information you have at the time, and new information can change that ...[text shortened]... litician? Or is it “just because his/ her politics align with yours” ?

And how do you check that?
"Knowledge keeps no better than fish."

A.N. Whitehead

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@Metal-Brain said
There is evidence if you accept the report is the truth.

https://www.michigan.gov/-/media/Project/Websites/sos/30lawens/Antrim.pdf?rev=fbfe881cdc0043a9bb80b783d1bb5fe9

Democrats say the report is a pack of lies, but why didn't Dominion sue them for it if it is a pack of lies? I'm not defending Trump because I think he is a creep for killing people in Iran. I am just ...[text shortened]... NC settle instead of saying Allied Security Operations Group is their source and not Jeannine Pirro?
Remember, a report is not "truth". A report is just what has been discovered.

The report you posted focuses only on *one* county in one state. Does a single county prove or disprove claims of a stolen election from an entire country?

This is where critical thinking comes in.

Metal Brain, here's a question: why did you post a single county's report to imply Trump was correct about the election? I'm asking you to answer this honestly. Don't just pivot and post another link, but really search within why you took such an action.


@Pus said
@vivify

Her body Her choice, in regards to abortion.
Cons hate me when I say that. Not at the expense of the tax payer though.

Tax the rich more or make them remove automation and create jobs for people. They can choose which one.

Basic medical and dental should be available like Canada has it.

Nepotism is wrong and inheritance should be taxed heavily.

No foreign ...[text shortened]... on is a cancer on the world.

Plenty of other stuff too but those are just off the top of my head.
So here comes Pus.
AvJoe does not agree with any of his statements.
Should I embarrass him with a couple of my lib-proof questions, which you fellers cannot answer?


@shavixmir said
https://youtu.be/3yrcD4Ob3qw?is=L88AwGuZ6x4It1N8

The link is to StarTalk with Neil Degrasse Tyson.
In it they’re debating what truth is.
It’s quite long, but really interesting.

The difference between personal truths and “objective” truths.
With, obviously, scientific truths being relative to the information you have at the time, and new information can change that ...[text shortened]... litician? Or is it “just because his/ her politics align with yours” ?

And how do you check that?
The dragon in the garage is a classic from one of Carl Sagan's books. It should be required study for high schoolers in my opinion. I believe the original purpose was to explain that arguments that aren't falsifiable are pointless.

What's the difference between an invisible, floating, incorporeal dragon that spits heatless fire, from no dragon at all?

The exact same beats were applied to the whole "the election was rigged" debacle. Millions of people were convinced that Trump had a dragon in his garage, and we were going to find out all the details in the next two weeks. After 6 years, the dragon is still unaccounted for.

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@Metal-Brain said
There is evidence if you accept the report is the truth.

https://www.michigan.gov/-/media/Project/Websites/sos/30lawens/Antrim.pdf?rev=fbfe881cdc0043a9bb80b783d1bb5fe9

Democrats say the report is a pack of lies, but why didn't Dominion sue them for it if it is a pack of lies? I'm not defending Trump because I think he is a creep for killing people in Iran. I am just ...[text shortened]... NC settle instead of saying Allied Security Operations Group is their source and not Jeannine Pirro?
This isn't evidence of anything, MB. It's not a pack of lies, either, it's just nothing.

Edit: I take that back. It provides evidence that the election results were no't rigged in Antium County Michigan.