Debates
07 Jun 18
Originally posted by @vivifyDeregulation
Keep dodging, no one noticed.
Tax cuts
Repeal of Obamacare individual mandate
Bringing N. Korea to the table
Supreme Court justice, appeals court judges, lower court judges appointed
Appointment of first female CIA Director
Defeat of ISIS
Border wall construction has begun
Increase in defense spending
Offered amnesty to the entire DACA group (rejected by liberals)
to name a few
edit: Recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital and moving our embassy there (something presidents have promised for 2 decades and never delivered)
Tearing up the ridiculous Iran nuke deal
Originally posted by @vivifyAfter being away for a while I have been posting regularly here for less than one month (hint hint). It's no secret what I think he's accomplished.
Keep dodging, no one noticed.
My comments and questions have been mostly ignored. So if I repeat what I've already said, and go to the trouble of fleshing it out for you, why should I expect you to listen? I could try to carry on an intelligent conversation with my television set, and pretty much expect the same result.
You're only asking questions so that you can argue with the answers. If you've already made up your minds that's fine with me. But if I don't feel like partipating in your little mind games then what are you going to do about it... sue me for discrimination?
08 Jun 18
Originally posted by @tom-wolseyHow would you say "deregulation" during the Trump administration so far has improved the lives of Americans?
Deregulation
Tax cuts
Repeal of Obamacare individual mandate
Bringing N. Korea to the table
Supreme Court justice, appeals court judges, lower court judges appointed
Appointment of first female CIA Director
Defeat of ISIS
Border wall construction has begun
Increase in defense spending
Offered amnesty to all the entire DACA group (rejected by lib ...[text shortened]... dents have promised for 2 decades and never delivered)
Tearing up the ridiculous Iran nuke deal
08 Jun 18
Originally posted by @kazetnagorraI reckon we will see come election time
How would you say "deregulation" during the Trump administration so far has improved the lives of Americans?
08 Jun 18
Originally posted by @kazetnagorraEmpowering small business by removing so much red tape has been part and parcel to the much improved economy. Do some research. Small business owners and entrepreneurs were so stymied by unnecessary regulations they hesitated to even start a business or expand the ones they had. Cutting unnecessary regulations is considered one of Trump's finest accomplishments by people who don't favor a big bloated inefficient government.
How would you say "deregulation" during the Trump administration so far has improved the lives of Americans?
08 Jun 18
Originally posted by @tom-wolseyCan you name some examples of such unnecessary regulations, whose abolition has lead to economic growth?
Empowering small business by removing so much red tape has been part and parcel to the much improved economy. Do some research. Small business owners and entrepreneurs were so stymied by unnecessary regulations they hesitated to even start a business or expand the ones they had. Cutting unnecessary regulations is considered one of Trump's finest accomplishments by people who don't favor a big bloated inefficient government.
08 Jun 18
Originally posted by @tom-wolseyI really don't think the defeat of ISIS can be credited to Trump. Appointing judges and a CIA director hardly constitutes an achievement, neither does moving an embassy. Whether repealing Obamacare constitutes an achievement or not depends on the success of whatever it is replaced by. Tax cuts in combination with increased military spending imply increased sovereign debt, which the right wingers here seemed to regard as a problem a couple of years ago. One's attitude to deregulation depends somewhat on what has been deregulated. Tearing up the Iran nuclear deal leaves Iran free to persue nuclear weapons. The border wall is a waste of money (and I don't think the Mexicans will be paying).
Deregulation
Tax cuts
Repeal of Obamacare individual mandate
Bringing N. Korea to the table
Supreme Court justice, appeals court judges, lower court judges appointed
Appointment of first female CIA Director
Defeat of ISIS
Border wall construction has begun
Increase in defense spending
Offered amnesty to the entire DACA group (rejected by liberal ...[text shortened]... dents have promised for 2 decades and never delivered)
Tearing up the ridiculous Iran nuke deal
Achievements are things like getting North Korea to make concessions at the table, they were always going to negotiate.
So, I don't think your list of achievements lists much attributable to Trump that would be universally regarded as achievements.
08 Jun 18
Originally posted by @deepthoughtThe defeat of ISIS happened on Trump's watch and definitely wasn't due to any effort on Obama's part.
I really don't think the defeat of ISIS can be credited to Trump. Appointing judges and a CIA director hardly constitutes an achievement, neither does moving an embassy. Whether repealing Obamacare constitutes an achievement or not depends on the success of whatever it is replaced by. Tax cuts in combination with increased military spending imply i ...[text shortened]... chievements lists much attributable to Trump that would be universally regarded as achievements.
The judges are an achievement because of many factors combined: a) they weren't shills for the democrat party, b) the number of judges appointed in such short time is perhaps unprecedented and extremely high considering c) the democrats are delaying and blocking Trump's every effort. Repealing the Obamacare individual mandate is a huge achievement because millions like myself were freed from the trap of not being able to afford healthcare, but being penalized thousands for not buying it anyway. Since the tax cuts, revenue has POURED into the US Treasury and in no way contributed to the 20 trillion in debt--more than half of which occurred during the Obama regime. Increased military spending was absolutely necessary as was reported by all branches of armed service who were watching their infrastructure crumble. Increased sovereign debt is a no-no for any Conservative and it is not an achievement nor was it listed as one--you presented it as a red herring. You did not contest the achievement of deregulation which directly contributed to the now booming economy. The Iran deal--though it allegedly (but not verifiably--by design) delayed the terrorist regime from arming ICBMs with nukes--it guaranteed they would succeed with that endeavor in a matter of years. The border wall is a fulfilled promise and just because you support open borders that doesn't mean it's not an accomplishment. Trump assures Americans Mexico will pay for the wall in lost trade revenues that went unchecked during previous administrations.
08 Jun 18
Originally posted by @kazetnagorraWe could get into all kinds of metrics, but two big ones come immediately to mind:
Can you name some examples of such unnecessary regulations, whose abolition has lead to economic growth?
1. More jobs than people
2. More buyers than houses
Would I stake my 401(k) on that bi-ped?
No.
But it's a great start.
08 Jun 18
Originally posted by @kazetnagorraCan you demonstrate that the thousands of regulations lifted had nothing to do with economic growth?
Can you name some examples of such unnecessary regulations, whose abolition has lead to economic growth?
We can have a link war or copy paste war if you want. But the information is there. You're being lazy by just typing a one-liner and requiring someone else to dig it up for you.
08 Jun 18
Originally posted by @tom-wolseyIt is your claim that the abolition of as of yet unnamed regulations has boosted economic growth. Can you substantiate this claim or not?
Can you demonstrate that the thousands of regulations lifted had nothing to do with economic growth?
We can have a link war or copy paste war if you want. But the information is there. You're being lazy by just typing a one-liner and requiring someone else to dig it up for you.
Originally posted by @kazetnagorraMore than a thousand regulations have been lifted, but you asked for 1 or 2 examples that contributed to our improved economy. Here are a few. A cursory google search will land you hundreds more, but it's not really about getting at the truth, is it. You just want me to have to spend my time doing your research for you. I presume you will put a negative spin on the list below and insist that no examples have been given. And when you do--you can count on being ignored.
It is your claim that the abolition of as of yet unnamed regulations has boosted economic growth. Can you substantiate this claim or not?
Keystone XL pipleine regulations
Dakota access pipeline regulations
Atlantic and Arctic Ocean offshore drilling regulations
Bans on crude oil exports
America now leads the world in oil and gas production and is soon to become the world's largest exporter
Regulations restricting the issue of permits for new infrastructure
08 Jun 18
Originally posted by @tom-wolseyThere's too much stuff here to reply to in one post, at least in any coherent fashion, so I'll pick two.
The defeat of ISIS happened on Trump's watch and definitely wasn't due to any effort on Obama's part.
The judges are an achievement because of many factors combined: a) they weren't shills for the democrat party, b) the number of judges appointed in such short time is perhaps unprecedented and extremely high considering c) the democrats are delaying ...[text shortened]... ill pay for the wall in lost trade revenues that went unchecked during previous administrations.
I don't see how you can claim that a military intervention started by Obama can not be "in any way due to any effort on his part", yet credit it to Trump solely because it was completed "on his watch".
Additional military spending requires more revenue. Tax cuts imply less revenue. So in combination these two policies imply more debt. Pointing out the consequences of two of your achievements in combination hardly constitutes a red herring.
In any case, I'm not sure this stuff is what lemonlime was referring to, he seemed to have some sort of paradigm shift in mind. I'm curious to hear what it is.