Well, his speech was. Can't believe he mentioned fair share, several times, which has never been defined. He pretty much says every thing will be a whole lot cheaper. Did not say how. Seriously, he is lyiihg because he cannot possibly do all that he wants to do. He would say 'Imagine!!" Yes, one can only imagiine. But can't do. His wish list is actually sad.
He childishly ("I'm not joking1"😉 said there are less cookies in a bag. Then he lied about the border, elicited mocking. Trump would kill him in a debate, which I know now he will duck out on.
A whole lot of promises. Whew. He will be sorry for staring down the justices on the first row, about Roe. You libs be proud.
I think the news tomorrow will be about the plethora of promises.
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No. A dictator is non-compatable with socialism. Socialism is literally: those who produce have control over production.
The very essence of socialism (and communism) is that the proletariate are in control. Not some dictator or boss (which is could be seen as a corporate dictator).
You’re welcome.
@shavixmir saidSo the proletariat had their way with Stalin, eh? lol
No. A dictator is non-compatable with socialism. Socialism is literally: those who produce have control over production.
The very essence of socialism (and communism) is that the proletariate are in control. Not some dictator or boss (which is could be seen as a corporate dictator).
You’re welcome.
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@earl-of-trumps saidNo, Stalin was no socialist, he was a dictator on an ego trip wo used 8and abused) a system...
So the proletariat had their way with Stalin, eh? lol
As long as there are selfish people ideal comunism is unattainable (sadly enough).
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@earl-of-trumps saidStalin wasn’t a socialist.
So the proletariat had their way with Stalin, eh? lol
The attempted communism was forced upon a political / economical situation which wasn’t ripe enough to grow into communism.
Capitalism evolves into socialism.
The USSR (Russia before the revolution) wasn’t anywhere near a capitalist society.
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@averagejoe1 saidIs that the best you can do?
Well, his speech was. Can't believe he mentioned fair share, several times, which has never been defined. He pretty much says every thing will be a whole lot cheaper. Did not say how. Seriously, he is lyiihg because he cannot possibly do all that he wants to do. He would say 'Imagine!!" Yes, one can only imagiine. But can't do. His wish list is actually sad.
H ...[text shortened]... ut Roe. You libs be proud.
I think the news tomorrow will be about the plethora of promises.
Sure it is. You Trumpers are running scared.
@earl-of-trumps saidNo genius, Russia was never a Marxist state, Lenin saw to that and Stalin put his centralised kleptocracy on steroids.
So the proletariat had their way with Stalin, eh? lol
Marx was thinking about the newly industrialised proletariat of the UK when he wrote Das Kapital not the agrarian peasantry of russia, or China for that matter. He’s buried in Highgate cemetery by the way.
@shavixmir saidNo, when a man says 'I'. am going to (do all these things,), he is telling us he is going to do things ........which he cannot do, congress has to do....he is lying.
No. A dictator is non-compatable with socialism. Socialism is literally: those who produce have control over production.
The very essence of socialism (and communism) is that the proletariate are in control. Not some dictator or boss (which is could be seen as a corporate dictator).
You’re welcome.
So in the true sense of the word, he is all powerful and is dictating to corps and us and rich folks and the judges that he is going to do things.
He promised everything but the kitchen sink, thus dictating socialism. A dictator.
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@ponderable saidIdeal communism. How can communism be ideal when some work harder than others?
No, Stalin was no socialist, he was a dictator on an ego trip wo used 8and abused) a system...
As long as there are selfish people ideal comunism is unattainable (sadly enough).
If Shav and I are in the ideal communist town, and on Tuesday I produce more goods and/or services than does Shav, what happens with his work products and with my work products at the end of the day?
Shav will answer this question.
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@averagejoe1 saidWhat the sweet bejesus are you in about?
No, when a man says 'I'. am going to (do all these things,), he is telling us he is going to do things ........which he cannot do, congress has to do....he is lying.
So in the true sense of the word, he is all powerful and is dictating to corps and us and rich folks and the judges that he is going to do things.
He promised everything but the kitchen sink, thus dictating socialism. A dictator.
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Let me guess… Biden’s speech was good and you’re very upset about it?
@shavixmir saidNo. I simply point out his tendencies to dictate policies which smack of supporting the masses, etc. Taking from rich, giving to poor, the stuff of fables. Lied to get votes, but, aint gonna happen
What the sweet bejesus are you in about?
Let me guess… Biden’s speech was good and you’re very upset about it?
So Shav, if i work harder than you in a communist society, producing more stuff, what happens to our stuff at end of the day?.
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@averagejoe1 saidnobody wants a communist society dumbass
No. I simply point out his tendencies to dictate policies which smack of supporting the masses, etc. Taking from rich, giving to poor, the stuff of fables. Lied to get votes, but, aint gonna happen
So Shav, if i work harder than you in a communist society, producing more stuff, what happens to our stuff at end of the day?.
if you work harder than me in a socialist society, you get more money, a better job, your business would be more successful and all the things in a capitalist society. you can even buy yachts (reasonable, non 200 million worth kind yachts)
all that changes is there wouldn't be billionaires hoarding more money that could be spent in a hundred lifetimes while people starve. there wouldn't be people dying because they can't afford healthcare. anyone that has the capability will receive a higher education
what would change in a socialist society is you wouldn't be able to buy whores in government because you're a multibilionaire
oh, because you're a moron it bears repeating: there wouldn't be billionaires because we would tax them 90% in the higher brackets, AFTER investments.
There won't be any mass executions or property nationalizations that you morons like to wave like a scary puppet made by a 5 year old
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@zahlanzi saidWhere is the incentive to work hard if people are taxed at 90%? You people have your heads up your arse. You'd all be back living in the middle ages.
nobody wants a communist society dumbass
if you work harder than me in a socialist society, you get more money, a better job, your business would be more successful and all the things in a capitalist society. you can even buy yachts (reasonable, non 200 million worth kind yachts)
all that changes is there wouldn't be billionaires hoarding more money that could be spen ...[text shortened]... s or property nationalizations that you morons like to wave like a scary puppet made by a 5 year old
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@zahlanzi saidSo, if I am a billionaire, and Biden gets his way, I will be punished for my success? He will TELL me that I cannot have the money I made? What if I want to give it to my children, but he wants to TAKE it from me and pay off the tuitions of YOUR 3 kids? That is not fair, but Biden says it IS fair, when he says Fair Share will be taken from me.
nobody wants a communist society dumbass
if you work harder than me in a socialist society, you get more money, a better job, your business would be more successful and all the things in a capitalist society. you can even buy yachts (reasonable, non 200 million worth kind yachts)
all that changes is there wouldn't be billionaires hoarding more money that could be spen ...[text shortened]... s or property nationalizations that you morons like to wave like a scary puppet made by a 5 year old
I appreciate your response, I think Vivify cannot get his arms around common sense and logic. He and Sue just left to tiptoe through the tulips.
I think you are very casual to have the govt dictate how much a man can make. Govt control, Shav. Liberty is the absence of govt control, so, you are treading into socialism.
Our impasse is that I find socialism unhealthy for a society. You bring it up all the time. Why? It has never worked.