@metal-brain said
There is no law, or moral stance that can force a country to adopt a specific political system and abandon another.

The US government is afraid socialism can compete with capitalism. The assertion that socialism is a universal failure is a dirty lie. If my government honestly didn't think socialism could compete with capitalism there would be no need to sabotage foreig ...[text shortened]... s "see, I told you he was a failure who wouldn't amount to anything".

You are defending bullying.

More nonsense. Cuba is the one that made the choice, and were fully aware of the consequences. The word sabotage is not even applicable in this situation. Socialism is a stupid political and economic system only promoted by stupid people. All the successful countries of the world are based on capitalism. Proof of that is there for all to see. People try to get into capitalist countries and move away from socialist countries. There are no exceptions.

Countries of the world which have a heavy inflow of immigrants [at application for immigration / permanent residence / work permits] are:
USA
Canada
All of Western Europe
Australia
New Zealand
Japan
Hong Kong
Singapore
Cayman Islands
[And several others]

All of these are capitalist countries. There are no socialist countries that have immigration problems. People run from them. Cubans will give their right arm to get away from their failed country.

@averagejoe1 said
Both too far to the right?? Biden?
See this link if you want to see his underbelly. Look or not, but it is to apprise everyone here that when a poster like yourself writes that Biden is not a lefty, not a socialist, that poster is being disingenuous and wasting the time of this Forum. Please try a little adult debating, you are getting like that Handy Andy character. High school stuff

https://www.newsweek.com/joe-bidens-systemic-socialism-opinion-1591299

That is just a hack opinion piece. Biden is continuing almost all of Trump's policies.
Go ahead and attempt to name as many policy changes Biden has made that depart from Trump. There are not many, not many that matter anyway.

Biden is a plutocrat's tool just like Trump. There is almost no difference in policy.

@rajk999 said
More nonsense. Cuba is the one that made the choice, and were fully aware of the consequences. The word sabotage is not even applicable in this situation. Socialism is a stupid political and economic system only promoted by stupid people. All the successful countries of the world are based on capitalism. Proof of that is there for all to see. People try to get into capitali ...[text shortened]... blems. People run from them. Cubans will give their right arm to get away from their failed country.

Nonsense!

Few people are going to immigrate to a country crippled by sanctions regardless of their political system. Einstein was a socialist. Was he stupid?

You need to learn political science. I'm pretty sure everything you believe about socialism is BS. You clearly don't know what you are talking about.

@metal-brain said
Nonsense!

Few people are going to immigrate to a country crippled by sanctions regardless of their political system. Einstein was a socialist. Was he stupid?

You need to learn political science. I'm pretty sure everything you believe about socialism is BS. You clearly don't know what you are talking about.

Hey ... moron. Why are people leaving socialist / communist countries? Why? Answer that.

You sound like a freshman that just finished some elementary 101 courses. Einstein might have been a brilliant physicist but he was a damn fool if he supported socialism and so was Karl Marx.

@rajk999 said
Hey ... moron. Why are people leaving socialist / communist countries? Why? Answer that.

You sound like a freshman that just finished some elementary 101 courses. Einstein might have been a brilliant physicist but he was a damn fool if he supported socialism and so was Karl Marx.

There are no socialist / communist countries.
You would know that if you had even the basic understanding of political science.

Look up socialism in the dictionary.
Name one country that fits the definition.

@metal-brain said
There are no socialist / communist countries.
You would know that if you had even the basic understanding of political science.

Look up socialism in the dictionary.
Name one country that fits the definition.

Failure. lol. 😀 Stop blaming the US for Cuba's failure. Case closed. Tell the Cuban people to get in a pirogue and go live in Key West. Nice place to live. 😀

@rajk999 said
Nonsense. There is no law, or moral stance that can force a country to trade with any other country. All countries stand on their own and are free to choose who they wish to have dealings with. Of course the freer the trade the more prosperous both countries are. The less barriers to free movement of labour and capital the more prosperity as well for both countries. Aligning ...[text shortened]... ing itself to western countries by moving to a USSR communist political system. Its their own fault.

Countries don't trade with other countries (by and large). The embargo restricts US companies and individuals from doing business and travelling to Cuba.

As an ardent defender of capitalism, I would have thought you'd be a proponent of "free trade" which the embargo clearly violates the principle of.

IMO, IF the US is being consistent it should embargo all countries that are anti-democratic like say Saudi Arabia if it embargoes Cuba.
This is not to defend the latter's violation of Natural Rights by maintaining a dictatorial system.

@rajk999 said
Failure. lol. 😀 Stop blaming the US for Cuba's failure. Case closed. Tell the Cuban people to get in a pirogue and go live in Key West. Nice place to live. 😀

Why can't I buy Cuban rum or cigars? Why can't I sell products to Cuba?
It is to hurt the Cuban economy. No other reason.

Why do you justify economic punishment? Are you afraid a country close to socialism but isn't by definition socialism will do well? You clearly want to make Cuba fail. You are not interested in free markets or free trade.

You want to force leftist countries to fail. You are anti-competition. How can a right winger support no free markets or free trade and prevent fair competition for leftist countries in general? You are betraying your own stated principals.

@rajk999 said
Nonsense. There is no law, or moral stance that can force a country to trade with any other country. All countries stand on their own and are free to choose who they wish to have dealings with. Of course the freer the trade the more prosperous both countries are. The less barriers to free movement of labour and capital the more prosperity as well for both countries. Aligning ...[text shortened]... ing itself to western countries by moving to a USSR communist political system. Its their own fault.

The key word above is ‘choose’. Generally Speaking, a group of people dont choose. Choosing is usually done by an individual person.
So they wont get your premise above. It doesnt compute, they rather think that dealings are more complex, and just happen, And everyone ends up where they are. This is the product of group think, a recent concept which i believe started in their Obama era, at about the same time he said he was going to transform America and spread the wealth around

@no1marauder said
Countries don't trade with other countries (by and large). The embargo restricts US companies and individuals from doing business and travelling to Cuba.

As an ardent defender of capitalism, I would have thought you'd be a proponent of "free trade" which the embargo clearly violates the principle of.

IMO, IF the US is being consistent it should embargo all countrie ...[text shortened]...
This is not to defend the latter's violation of Natural Rights by maintaining a dictatorial system.

OK. So you say Cuba violates natural rights. If my neighbor beats his children, violating Their natural rights, don’t you think it would be OK for me to tell everyone in the neighborhood to not do business at that neighbor’s hardware store? Embargo him? Stop free trade with him?
What is the difference?

@rajk999 said
More nonsense. Cuba is the one that made the choice, and were fully aware of the consequences. The word sabotage is not even applicable in this situation. Socialism is a stupid political and economic system only promoted by stupid people. All the successful countries of the world are based on capitalism. Proof of that is there for all to see. People try to get into capitali ...[text shortened]... blems. People run from them. Cubans will give their right arm to get away from their failed country.

It's interesting that right wing, laissez faire types want to include certain wealthy countries as "capitalist" when if many of the policies they pursue (enhanced social welfare, increased taxation of the wealthy, government control or heavy regulation of critical industries, etc. etc.) are proposed in the US they deem them as invariably leading to "socialism" or even "communism".

Cake and eat it types, I guess.

@averagejoe1 said
OK. So you say Cuba violates natural rights. If my neighbor beats his children, violating Their natural rights, don’t you think it would be OK for me to tell everyone in the neighborhood to not do business at that neighbor’s hardware store? Embargo him? Stop free trade with him?
What is the difference?

Then why doesn't the US embargo Saudi Arabia or many other countries which are anti-democratic violators of Natural Rights? IF you are espousing a moral principle i.e. we don't allow trade with despotic regimes, you must concede the US violates it pretty much everywhere BUT Cuba (maybe Iran, too).

@metal-brain said
That is just a hack opinion piece. Biden is continuing almost all of Trump's policies.
Go ahead and attempt to name as many policy changes Biden has made that depart from Trump. There are not many, not many that matter anyway.

Biden is a plutocrat's tool just like Trump. There is almost no difference in policy.

Stopped Trumps Wall. Stopped pipeline. No more oil independence. You No more sovereign border. You make me tired, Metal Brain.

@metal-brain said
There are no socialist / communist countries.
You would know that if you had even the basic understanding of political science.

Look up socialism in the dictionary.
Name one country that fits the definition.

Look up all news outlets referring to China as Communist. I guess you can split hairs but you really are saying nothing.

@averagejoe1 said
Stopped Trumps Wall. Stopped pipeline. No more oil independence. You No more sovereign border. You make me tired, Metal Brain.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/biden-administration-to-finish-13-mile-section-of-trumps-border-wall-in-texas/ar-BB1gFOFC

https://reason.com/2021/07/13/biden-continues-trump-seizures-of-private-land-for-border-wall/

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/omar-slams-biden-admin-for-continuing-the-construction-of-trump-s-xenophobic-and-racist-wall/ar-BB1fpzW6

Biden is a puppet of big oil. Stopping the pipeline is not a good thing. Pipelines are the safest way to transport oil and gas. Stopping the pipeline only creates an artificial shortage increasing prices. That is what monopolists like to do, create artificial shortages to increase prices to gouge money from people.

That only hurts the consumer. Don't be proud of Biden for that.
He likes fracking too. He extended Trump's tax cuts. He put immigrant children in cages. He is jerking Iran around instead of resuming the nuclear deal just like Trump was. He is falsely blaming countries that are not really socialist or communist of failing for being what they are not in reality.

Certain terms (especially political terms) are used incorrectly in our society. People used to call FDR a socialist. That was just rhetoric. If it wasn't we would be called the United Socialist States of America. Biden (like Trump) is just using terms incorrectly to confuse people.

The establishment doesn't want you to know what socialism really means. They just want you to assume it is bad. That is what McCarthyism was all about and it worked. People just assume Socialism/Marxism is horrible and it should scare you. McCarthyism did that. It was anti-Socialism propaganda. Wealthy people hate Socialism. It is no secret. They don't want to share the wealth. Rich people hate sharing profits if they can help it.

Are you wealthy?