Bernie is a Self Declared Socialist

@zahlanzi said
I was curious if you said anything even remotely connected to my point.

You mentioned the number 10 once, so i guess that's good enough?

Since Biden says it will cost ZERO (as he leans into the mike and whispers,,just before he TURNS HIS BACK ON AMERICA AND WALKS AWAY) ,,then,, how have you made a point? You make no point, and I do, by saying that we will have all the debt we can stand, No Matter When We Borrow It, and won't be able to borrow more in the future. THAT is my point. Mine makes more sense.
When We Borrow It is irrelevant.,

PS: Trump answered all questions, never once turned away. We never saw his back. Speaking of that, have you noticed that Biden is having trouble walking, putting one foot in front of the other ....walks like a penguin? Failing fast. I am sure he will be gone by end of summer '22.

@averagejoe1 said
Since Biden says it will cost ZERO (as he leans into the mike and whispers,,just before he TURNS HIS BACK ON AMERICA AND WALKS AWAY) ,,then,, how have you made a point? You make no point, and I do, by saying that we will have all the debt we can stand, No Matter When We Borrow It, and won't be able to borrow more in the future. THAT is my point. Mine makes more sense. ...[text shortened]... the other ....walks like a penguin? Failing fast. I am sure he will be gone by end of summer '22.

Heh so still not remotely relevant to my point 😀

Eh, i am used to it. Don't worry, i can mock you on whatever you want.

The 3.5 trillion bill (or 2 or 1.5 or whatever it is now after Manchin mangled it) would have also come with a corporate tax increase. Revenue, as well as spending. Not that increasing debt ever bothered republicans (and granted some democrats) when it came to providing tax cuts to the wealthiest. Or increasing the military spending. Or giving bailouts to bad companies.

You always seem to have money for millionaires and billionaires. Giving them money is capitalism, it will trickle down, it boosts the economy, it makes graphs go up. Helping poor people though? That's SOCIALISM, we can't have that.

@zahlanzi said
Heh so still not remotely relevant to my point 😀

Eh, i am used to it. Don't worry, i can mock you on whatever you want.

The 3.5 trillion bill (or 2 or 1.5 or whatever it is now after Manchin mangled it) would have also come with a corporate tax increase. Revenue, as well as spending. Not that increasing debt ever bothered republicans (and granted some democrats) whe ...[text shortened]... e economy, it makes graphs go up. Helping poor people though? That's SOCIALISM, we can't have that.

How bout you link a website showing what the money is to be spent on. Then everyone can see what i, a conservative, and you, a progressive libaeral, are at odds about.

While u r at it,Biden saysit will cost zero, but you say the Bill will come with a corporate tax increase. Which I guess is to say that taxes will pay for it. So Biden is saying the opposite, that it will cost zero… One of you is lying?

@averagejoe1 said
How bout you link a website showing what the money is to be spent on. Then everyone can see what i, a conservative, and you, a progressive libaeral, are at odds about.

While u r at it,Biden saysit will cost zero, but you say the Bill will come with a corporate tax increase. Which I guess is to say that taxes will pay for it. So Biden is saying the opposite, that it will cost zero… One of you is lying?

" Which I guess is to say that taxes will pay for it"
Yes. That's how countries work. They tax stuff. And then they do stuff.

"So Biden is saying the opposite, that it will cost zero… One of you is lying?"
Or you are too dense to understand what is happening around you.


Yes, increased taxes (which are too low) on the wealthiest would pay for things for the people. Now i hear the tax increases are gone because of the 50 republican prostitutes and the 2 democrat ones. So yeah, if that stays i guess now it won't cost zero. Which is still a good deal.

@zahlanzi said
" Which I guess is to say that taxes will pay for it"
Yes. That's how countries work. They tax stuff. And then they do stuff.

"So Biden is saying the opposite, that it will cost zero… One of you is lying?"
Or you are too dense to understand what is happening around you.


Yes, increased taxes (which are too low) on the wealthiest would pay for things for the people ...[text shortened]... 2 democrat ones. So yeah, if that stays i guess now it won't cost zero. Which is still a good deal.

I note above that you say Manchin 'mangled it'. As if to say he did something wrong. Why say things on the forum that imply certain actions are innately wrong? Since it is not 'wrong' for him to stop the madness, how can you say that it IS wrong? Don't get you there. Poor debating. You exhibit the frantic posture of the Son person.

Now, once again. Biden says it will cost ZERO, as he whispers to his parasites over the podium. Of course it will, and you even go so far here as to tell us taxes will pay for it. You know that, and I know that. Your president says it will cost nothing (zero),
Again, I don't get you (or Biden) there. Lies!!!!!!!

As to your last para, yes, the tax increases may be gone, thank god. You are aware, that lyin' Biden will indeed tax the citizens who make under $400K. You know that, ,,,,,,,,,,right? ( I hate it when libs put the word 'right' at the end of a statement) . 😵

@averagejoe1 said
I note above that you say Manchin 'mangled it'. As if to say he did something wrong. Why say things on the forum that imply certain actions are innately wrong? Since it is not 'wrong' for him to stop the madness, how can you say that it IS wrong? Don't get you there. Poor debating. You exhibit the frantic posture of the Son person.

Now, once again. Biden says it ...[text shortened]... ow that, ,,,,,,,,,,right? ( I hate it when libs put the word 'right' at the end of a statement) . 😵

"I note above that you say Manchin 'mangled it'. As if to say he did something wrong. Why say things on the forum that imply certain actions are innately wrong? "
He did something wrong, he is a corrupt prostitute of a politician and he mangled a bill that would hurt his interests and the interests of the corporations who own him.

"Since it is not 'wrong' for him to stop the madness, how can you say that it IS wrong? "
It is wrong and i can say it by typing the words "it" and "is" and "wrong" in this order? Or are you asking about how i could say he is a prostitute? Well pretty much the same way, i typed the words "he is a prostitute" and pressed the button post that this site conveniently implemented.

"Don't get you there."
I know. I completely trust you that you are as stupid as you sound and you genuinely have no idea what you're talking about. Nor would you have any empathy towards others if you did.

"As to your last para, yes, the tax increases may be gone, thank god. You are aware, that lyin' Biden will indeed tax the citizens who make under $400K"
Link the proof. I want to see exactly how much more will people who make under 400k be taxed in order to get all the things in that bill.

@zahlanzi said
"I note above that you say Manchin 'mangled it'. As if to say he did something wrong. Why say things on the forum that imply certain actions are innately wrong? "
He did something wrong, he is a corrupt prostitute of a politician and he mangled a bill that would hurt his interests and the interests of the corporations who own him.

"Since it is not 'wrong' for him to s ...[text shortened]... how much more will people who make under 400k be taxed in order to get all the things in that bill.

Re your first paragraphs, I guess you are saying that Manchen is stupid. Golly, where can I go with that zinger!?!? I wonder what he is thinking!??!
and you should watch the Fox business channel. You talk about a bunch of stupid people that are actually saying we should go with this bill! ha ha ha ha. You are quite clueless, you are not from around here. Dems Want government expansion forever, but you folks cannot think beyond your nose. The Dems favor non-work over work. Oh, Tell me, when it is discovered that tax revenues will not be enough to pay for these trillions, do dems have a back up plan to still save America?

Sure, I can send you a link,, on the $400k, since you have your head In the sand, and pulling your usual antic.......BUT,, there is a proviso....YOu have to get for me, from Suzianne, an exact lie that Tucker Carlson told.
Why dont libs answer questions?

Standing by.

@averagejoe1 said
But, if imayzero in..Suzy wont tell me a Carlson lie. What In The hell?

Are you really too stupid to recognize a lie now?

Hint: Your Führer told several a day for more than four years.

@averagejoe1 said
Re your first paragraphs, I guess you are saying that Manchen is stupid. Golly, where can I go with that zinger!?!? I wonder what he is thinking!??!
and you should watch the Fox business channel. You talk about a bunch of stupid people that are actually saying we should go with this bill! ha ha ha ha. You are quite clueless, you are not from around here. Dems W ...[text shortened]... Suzianne, an exact lie that Tucker Carlson told.
Why dont libs answer questions?

Standing by.

"Re your first paragraphs, I guess you are saying that Manchen is stupid"
Nope, unlike you he knows full well what he is doing. And how much he is paid to do it.


" and you should watch the Fox business channel"
And have that slimy millionaire Varney explain that poor people asking to benefit as well from the supposedly awesome economy is socialism and ttherefore bad? No thanks,
"Dems Want government expansion forever, but you folks cannot think beyond your nose"
That;s means less than a moldy onion to the guy unable to feed his family or unable to buy insulin.

"The Dems favor non-work over work. "
There is a section in the bill specifically about creating jobs.

"Oh, Tell me, when it is discovered that tax revenues will not be enough to pay for these trillions, do dems have a back up plan to still save America?"
It would be enough. People who can do math, unlike you, have counted the dollars.
And if it isn't, well republicans didn't care about the deficit when they voted for tax cuts for the rich. I guess this time we can not care about the deficit while doing somethign actually worthwhile.

"Sure, I can send you a link,, on the $400k, since you have your head In the sand, and pulling your usual antic.......BUT,, there is a proviso....YOu have to get for me, from Suzianne, an exact lie that Tucker Carlson told.
Why dont libs answer questions?"
Drunk again?

"Standing by.:"
Hold your breath

@zahlanzi said
"Re your first paragraphs, I guess you are saying that Manchen is stupid"
Nope, unlike you he knows full well what he is doing. And how much he is paid to do it.


" and you should watch the Fox business channel"
And have that slimy millionaire Varney explain that poor people asking to benefit as well from the supposedly awesome economy is socialism and ttherefore bad? ...[text shortened]... rlson told.
Why dont libs answer questions?"
Drunk again?

"Standing by.:"
Hold your breath

Indeed, my breath holding for libs has not produced much in the way of results.
Manchin gets paid? How do libs know all this secret stuff? You will of course send me a link (one approved by Suzianne,, the only person I trust on the Forum) proving he is being paid?
You think Varney is slimy?? Oh, he is rich. Never mind, I see why you think he is slimy. I guess I need to get out of his club. Funny, you and I have something in common....I watch him ( and Kudlow) every night. Listen to Kudlow...you are hearing me!!!
Oh, tell me something Varney says about poor people/benefits/socialism?
What do you want the govvveerrnnnnnnment to do about this guy who is in over his head about family and insulin. Before you answer, remember, that money usually earmarked for the poor is getting used up by illegals who broke the law.

CREATING JOBS????? Dont make me laugh. Do you know how that is paid for???!?!??!!?!?!? With taxpayer money~!!!!! What a telling statement for you to make. Have you no concept of what creating jobs means?? Jesu H Crist.

And you say , regarding tax revenues to pay for the Biden Loan being enough......, "And if it isn't....". Yeah,, you prove my point,dont you.

@averagejoe1 said
Indeed, my breath holding for libs has not produced much in the way of results.
Manchin gets paid? How do libs know all this secret stuff? You will of course send me a link (one approved by Suzianne,, the only person I trust on the Forum) proving he is being paid?
You think Varney is slimy?? Oh, he is rich. Never mind, I see why you think he is slimy. I guess ...[text shortened]... for the Biden Loan being enough......, "And if it isn't....". Yeah,, you prove my point,dont you.

"Manchin gets paid? How do libs know all this secret stuff? "
It's not secret and we know this by reading and expand our knowledge. It's fun you should try it sometime.

"You will of course send me a link (one approved by Suzianne,, the only person I trust on the Forum) proving he is being paid?"
I will do no such thing. It would be a non-zero effort to give you a public piece of information that you will totally ignore.

"You think Varney is slimy?"
Very
"Oh, he is rich"
Not only that. He is a rich guy twlling poor people that the current state of affairs is totally ok. That they shouldn't ask for stuff that he already has access to, that it is right for billionaires to pay less and less tax, to be less and less regulated and to amass more and more wealth.

He is the dog that tells the sheep it is ok for the wolves to eat them while being on the wolves' payroll

"Kudlow"
heh another slimeball

"What do you want the govvveerrnnnnnnment to do about this guy who is in over his head about family and insulin. Before you answer, remember, that money usually earmarked for the poor is getting used up by illegals who broke the law."
Forbid pharma companies from patenting a drug that costs like 5 dollars to make and was invented like 100 years ago and sell it for many times it is sold for in canada. Provide the drug free of charge.

"CREATING JOBS????? Dont make me laugh. Do you know how that is paid for???!?!??!!?!?!? With taxpayer money~!!!!! "
yes, that is a very good thing to spend taxpayers money on. Many countries do it. The US does it. It should do more of it and less of spendin money on a grotesque military or endless wars or tax cuts for the rich

"Have you no concept of what creating jobs means?? Jesu H Crist."
Sure i do. It means people getting out of poverty or at least staying afloat. it means people spending money (boosting the economy) instead of draining it

"And you say , regarding tax revenues to pay for the Biden Loan being enough......, "And if it isn't....". Yeah,, you prove my point,dont you."
Hmm this might be a patern. Your lawt sentences in every post are particularly incoherent. It's like somebody cranks you like an old mechanical wind up toy, and you just run out of juice towards the end.

My advice is to try and keep your posts shorter and just ask that someone to give you a few cranks more for the next one

@zahlanzi said
"I note above that you say Manchin 'mangled it'. As if to say he did something wrong. Why say things on the forum that imply certain actions are innately wrong? "
He did something wrong, he is a corrupt prostitute of a politician and he mangled a bill that would hurt his interests and the interests of the corporations who own him.

"Since it is not 'wrong' for him to s ...[text shortened]... how much more will people who make under 400k be taxed in order to get all the things in that bill.

Manchin is a democrat.

Democrats need to clean up their own party before telling republicans they are corrupt.

@zahlanzi said
"Manchin gets paid? How do libs know all this secret stuff? "
It's not secret and we know this by reading and expand our knowledge. It's fun you should try it sometime.

"You will of course send me a link (one approved by Suzianne,, the only person I trust on the Forum) proving he is being paid?"
I will do no such thing. It would be a non-zero effort to give you a pub ...[text shortened]... and keep your posts shorter and just ask that someone to give you a few cranks more for the next one

Go, Zahlanzi. Narrative city! Hate the rich. Good thinking. Funny how you libs are always 'looking over the fence'. Why is what your neighbor (e.g., Varney) does of any business of yours? Let's say I go out and sell a car wash today for $250K, and buy a lake house with it. Based on your post above, you should call me a slimy person, and that my 'richness' is not deserved.
Not deserved, because rich people...well, they should not be rich?
Should rich people not be rich? Do you love my straight-on questions, so that you can entertain yourself by changing the question? This is a trick question. You CANNOT answer yes or no. Pitiful.
I think rich people should be rich. Do you?
Check a block: { } Yes
{ } No

@AverageJoe1
I am still googling to find where Manchin was paid to fight the bill.

@metal-brain said
Manchin is a democrat.

Democrats need to clean up their own party before telling republicans they are corrupt.

"Manchin is a democrat. "
It's true he has a little D next to his name whenever he appears on TV.

"Democrats need to clean up their own party before telling republicans they are corrupt."
One can do both. It bears reminding, ALL republicans voted against the bill.