Bernie is a Self Declared Socialist

@no1marauder said
Here's my direct answer:

No it isn't unfair.

Did everyone see this classic answer from Marauder? I wish everyone answered posts like this. Sure would make for shorter forums, and libs would have more time to play frisbee. Me,,,,,well, I best not tell you what I would do with more free time!1!!

@metal-brain said
Bernie is just a yes man for biden. Here is an excerpt from the link below:

"On Friday, West Virginia paper the Charleston Gazette-Mail published an editorial from Sanders urging support for the Democratic plan to address wealth inequity, soaring pharmaceutical costs, an increasingly expensive healthcare system and costly childcare."

https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2 ...[text shortened]... thcare system and costly childcare? I am skeptical. Seems like Bernie is blowing smoke up our asses.

Goos stuff,MB. An even-keel kind of guy.
But this is to much over the heads of libs, you won't get any traction

@mghrn55 said
The onus is on you. You tell us what socialism is.
You have consistently demonstrated that you don't know.

Jesus, MGM. Why don't you help make this a true debate forum. I guess I am sposed to say something a kindergartner would say? Like, you are stupid, or some such? Would that be a proper response to you, or, You Dont Know Anything!!! Boy that would do it. A real point winner.
Jesus. Is that you, Suzianne?

@shavixmir said
He wouldn’t recognise socialism if Marx was nationalising his scrotum.

Shav, do you defend his not answering the question, to define socialism? Can you answer the question? Without saying I am a dork or something like that?

Why don't libs answer questions?

@AverageJoe1
How about MY question you refuse to answer?

What do you plan to do if and/or when we lose our democracy the zombie repubs, who you have to admit are NOT now the party of law and order, but now Trump zombies.

So will you rant and rave when that happens or happily join the crowd of hangerons looking for jobs in a hyper corrupt administration not allowing other parties to vote.

@averagejoe1 said
Shav, do you defend his not answering the question, to define socialism? Can you answer the question? Without saying I am a dork or something like that?

Why don't libs answer questions?

You have been told, countless times, what socialism is, what democratic socialism is, what communism is.
You responded each time with venezuela and soviet russia. You call everything you disagree with marxism. You are calling Biden a socialist for fuk's sake. Rubio called a 3.5 trillion bill to provide americans with things other countries take for granted for years of even decade Marxism but not a peep from him about the Trump tax cut trillions or that the military budget of the US over 10 years is like 7 trillions.

So yeah, the reason nobody jumps to explain something that you should educate yourself with is that they know damn well how it's going to go.

"Why don't libs answer questions?"
Why don't conservatives understand (or even hear) the answers?

@Zahlanzi
You know, that multi trill bill is talked about by repubs as if we are getting those trillions RIGHT now.

It is actually a ten year investment but the ultrarightwingnuts don't want to point THAT out, all they want to do is kill ANY democratic party sponsored bill.

So even a 3.5 trill bill would be 'only' 350 BILL a year for ten years or 100 Bill if it goes to a ONE trill bill.

Repubs don't want folks to know that little tidbit represents at most a 5% increase in spending. They want to make it sound like we are pumping in trillions extra RIGHT NOW.

ANYTHING to try to defeat ANYTHING sponsored by dems.

@sonhouse said
@Zahlanzi
You know, that multi trill bill is talked about by repubs as if we are getting those trillions RIGHT now.

It is actually a ten year investment but the ultrarightwingnuts don't want to point THAT out, all they want to do is kill ANY democratic party sponsored bill.

So even a 3.5 trill bill would be 'only' 350 BILL a year for ten years or 100 Bill if it goes t ...[text shortened]... e are pumping in trillions extra RIGHT NOW.

ANYTHING to try to defeat ANYTHING sponsored by dems.

it's funny how the cost of this bill is discussed.

It's always how much it will cost over 10 years.
Meanwhile, you only hear what the military budget is per year. And lately not even that: just how much it was increased.

@zahlanzi said
You have been told, countless times, what socialism is, what democratic socialism is, what communism is.
You responded each time with venezuela and soviet russia. You call everything you disagree with marxism. You are calling Biden a socialist for fuk's sake. Rubio called a 3.5 trillion bill to provide americans with things other countries take for granted for years of eve ...[text shortened]...
"Why don't libs answer questions?"
Why don't conservatives understand (or even hear) the answers?

But, if imayzero in..Suzy wont tell me a Carlson lie. What In The hell?

@averagejoe1 said
Shav, do you defend his not answering the question, to define socialism? Can you answer the question? Without saying I am a dork or something like that?

Why don't libs answer questions?

I’ve defined socialism on this site a hundred times:

“He who produces has control of production and an equal say in distribution.”

That is the basic summary of the outcome.

To understand the mechanics you need to delve into dialectic materialism.
The basic summary of which is:
“Capitalism creates friction. Friction creates change.”

An example: boss and a worker, very simply put, the boss wants the worker to do as much as possible for as little as possible and the worker wants to do as high a quality as possible for as much as possible. This friction leads to constant change. And it will keep creating friction and change until the those basic positions are equalled.

When are those positions equal? Classic Marxism defines this as anarchy (although you can’t compare that term with how it’s usually used).
So capitalism evolves into communism which evolves into anarchy (a state in which rules are no longer needed).

Socialism = communism.
Although it is often defined as a form of communism-light.

Communism / socialism can be seen as a complete structuring of society, but it can also be seen within society on various levels: trade unionism, minimum wages, progressive tax systems, state-run welfare, etc.

Many things you take for granted come from the communist movement. Think along the lines of the right to education and Health & Safety on the workfloor.

Important to understand is that communism isn’t an alternative to capitalism, it’s what capitalism will evolve into.

And when all this is comprehended, you will understand why when Americans suggest that fascism is the same as socialism, it sounds so stupid. They’re actually exact opposites; fascism actually creating even more friction than capitalism.

@shavixmir said
I’ve defined socialism on this site a hundred times:

“He who produces has control of production and an equal say in distribution.”

That is the basic summary of the outcome.

To understand the mechanics you need to delve into dialectic materialism.
The basic summary of which is:
“Capitalism creates friction. Friction creates change.”

An example: boss and a worke ...[text shortened]... pid. They’re actually exact opposites; fascism actually creating even more friction than capitalism.

AverageJoe… I take it your satisfied and have finally given up on your idiotic chasing of wrongly classified windmills?

@shavixmir
SURE, it could happen. Just not on Earth 1.

Where he is, Earth 2, maybe Earth 3, not sure which, the comm line there is pretty weak.

@sonhouse said
@shavixmir
SURE, it could happen. Just not on Earth 1.

Where he is, Earth 2, maybe Earth 3, not sure which, the comm line there is pretty weak.

🎣

Get a stick, maybe we can pry him off the ceiling.

Here AJ, here boy… come on down, come on…

@zahlanzi said
it's funny how the cost of this bill is discussed.

It's always how much it will cost over 10 years.
Meanwhile, you only hear what the military budget is per year. And lately not even that: just how much it was increased.

You know, even I could be a money-spending liberal IF the money you folks are talking about would be IT. Like, the family at the kitchen table,, We will borrow $60K and spend it over the next 12 months for our lifestyle, etc. But what if little Joey gets sick, medical bills, car needs a $3000 overhaul? Borrow more???
But libs are short-term thinkers. They don't realize that when we get pretty much borrowed to the gils for this so-called 10 years, we will not be able to borrow more for unknowns that will be popping up in these 10 years. A war, or a banking collapse which needs to be bailed out, make up some of your own. Maybe the immigrants will cost us more and more with the illegal status or legal status, they will cost us things we haven't even thought about. Another plague!!??! We will have no more money.
So, I just can't' trust this 'over a 10 year period'; narrative. Joe is hardly able to carry it off, we can't trust him, so what are we gonna do.? Go ahead and mortgage to the hilt???

Why does Zahalni and everyone think we should not fund a large military, since we are #1,, the one all countries look to in need? Have you seen China's latest test? Jesus. Romania might want to beef up their military.

@averagejoe1 said
You know, even I could be a money-spending liberal IF the money you folks are talking about would be IT. Like, the family at the kitchen table,, We will borrow $60K and spend it over the next 12 months for our lifestyle, etc. But what if little Joey gets sick, medical bills, car needs a $3000 overhaul? Borrow more???
But libs are short-term thinkers. They don't r ...[text shortened]... to in need? Have you seen China's latest test? Jesus. Romania might want to beef up their military.

I was curious if you said anything even remotely connected to my point.

You mentioned the number 10 once, so i guess that's good enough?