@spruce112358 said
No lies detected on either side here - except where you said the Arabs 'willingly fled' - that's not true.

I told you before, neither the UN nor the British Empire were elected to rule Palestine, so their decisions were invalid because they were not based on the consent of the governed.

The rest of this sad history is just consequences of that initial injustice.

What a load of rubbish. You are really a sad combination of delusions, lies and stupidity. You cannot think clearly and this is why you side with the Islamic criminals.

When you are a conquered nation, which is what the land of Palestine was at that time, no consent is required from people. The British took over the place from the Ottoman Empire and they had control. They do not need the permission of Arab farmers to do anything.

Maybe in about a 100 years or so these people to trying to kill Jews will learn that that is futile, and then there will be peace. Right now there are going to be more dead Arabs.

@spruce112358 said
I don't use lies. Lies are intentional falsehoods and ... No. It would make my skin crawl to intentionally post something I knew was false. Yeeech!

Just as bad, some people, out of pique or zealotry, refuse to entertain opposing facts or evidence, instead repeating whatever conclusion they have already drawn. Not very scientific. Is it a lie? Yeah, sort of - that 's a ...[text shortened]... se...." So maybe a low probability, but not actually a lie. But not particularly believable, either.

You are clearly delusional, and I have found many supporters of Islamic terrorism to have this condition. Im copying from another thread:

You posted this lie:
In 1948, the Jews declared independence and expelled over 700,000 Palestinians from 'their' new country.

This is the truth:
-. by a UN approved partition plan the British allocated part of THEIR EMPIRE [note it is a British Colony], to the Jews and another part to the Arabs.
- The Jews accepted the UN Partition Plan and declared Independence in 1948
- The Arabs did not accept it, but wanted all of the land, and joined forces with surrounding Arab states and attacked Israel , ARABS ATTACKED ISRAEL.
- The Arabs lost the war, and 700,000 Arabs willingly fled or where chased out.

So apparently you do in fact practice lying.

@kevcvs57 said
So no room for the Israelis who have murdered 13,000 innocent children then 🙄

Here are some real genocides in recent history :

1.5 million Armenians died in the Armenian genocide.

6 million Jews died in the Holocaust.

800,000 Tutsis died in the Rwandan genocide.

2 million Bangladeshis in the Bangladeshi genocide.

300,000 in the East Timor genocide

500,000 in the Syrian genocide.

100,000 in the Papua New Guinea genocide.

Take a wild guess how many of these real genocides as opposed to the social media genocide, were at the hands of Islamic extremists, your kind of people.

@spruce112358 said
Kali is also a blood-drinking, ruthless Hindu goddess, borne out of furious anger... which fits.

"Kali's appearance is dark blue, gaunt with sunken eyes, and wearing a tiger skin sari and a garland of human heads."

"Out of the surface of her (Durga's) forehead, fierce with frown, issued suddenly Kali of terrible countenance, armed with a sword and noose. Bearing th ...[text shortened]... but not evil per se. Is that how you see yourself, defending the world from the 'dangers' of Islam?

Dont care about Hindu Mythology. So what about the lies you promote which I pointed out earlier.. so is that your mo? A few terrorists supporters use obscenities and insults while you use lies and misinformation. When are you going to address that?

@spruce112358 said
I don't think I believe you. I think you are highly emotionally invested in this topic, and I think you want us all to know that.

We know that.

What we don't know is WHY you are so emotionally tied to your narrative. You will ignore 5 other threads to make 6 comments about Israel. You like to get the 'last word in' on any Palestinian thread. You've adopted a furiou ...[text shortened]... ll it, "the wound of my passion."

Care to share?

We can start easier, if you like. Why 'Kali'?

I think you are emotionally invested in this topic. Why is that?
Actually I dont care to know why people do stuff. I accept that they do.

Other threads? Which? About American politics?
Do you seriously think the world cares about American politics?
I have no interest in that nonsense.

Yes I do not like Islam. I have said so a dozen times.
Got a problem with that?

Kali is a Linux distribution used mostly for hacking.

And as usual once people lose the argument or fail to provide solid points, they get personal, and often abusive using the most derogatory language their brain can muster. Not you, but all your other buddies who support Islamic terrorists have failed to make their points and instead used obscenities. Failures.

@boonon said
No, a truth seeker. care to show me some stats that show otherwise?

Many people are infected with the disease called "ME ME ME". All their analysis stems from their own experience. It is as if the rest of the world needs to conform to their experience. Could be that this woman was raped and had an abortion so the actual stats for this is irrelevant, because "It happened to ME!!".

@spruce112358 said
An orangutan has been observed for the first time using a medicinal herb on a wound.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/first-orangutan-seen-treating-wound-150254658.html

Should we preserve certain areas of the world for these sentient creatures to live in?

Or should we treat orangutans like Palestinians - shove them off their land and bulldoze their property to make ro ...[text shortened]... for more of 'us', saying, 'We are stronger, so tough luck'?

Note: Orangutans are somewhat smelly.

The world is big enough for people, orangutans and Palestinians. Its not big enough if the orangutans decide to rape, murder and kidnap people. They are going to be extinct pretty soon, and yes .. they have less rights than people.

@spruce112358 said
I meant hassling over the point, not hassling me. I'm sorry if that did not come across.

AvJoe's slanderous innuendos are open-ended. He paints with a broad brush.

He posed a question: 'tell us what we can learn...' and my answer was that those accusations don't line up with my experience - an experience I doubt AvJoe has actually had, btw.

I keep telling you that its not about your experience, or mine. Dont personalise this discussion. Also you keep asking me about my experience with Muslims. Even that is of no relevance.

@athousandyoung said
He was in his 30s and Mary was about 13

Dont know where you got that from but it is of no consequence either way. Who cares about Joseph? Muslims care about Muhammed. Remember when cartoonists drew Muhammed in an unsavory fashion how Muslims wanted to kill people? You think Christians care how you draw Joseph or even Jesus Christ for that matter? We dont care.

@spruce112358 said
What percent of Muslims would you say are decent and respectable?

I cannot answer that but there are studies that help understanding this. One example is a freedom index, which is rating given to countries based on personal freedoms. The rating goes from 1 to 10. Most western countries have 9 to 10 rating, while the best Islamic country is about 8 and that is Bosnia. Most of these countries have a very poor freedom index and rate from 2 to 5.

People who grow up in such an environment like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Qatar, Yemen are screwed up by their religion and their culture.

Google it.

@averagejoe1 said
What has that got to do with the USA and should they not improve their own country? Should we take on their problems? How much so? Did you see where we have invited people of the Palestine society, beliefs, religion, daily life, to live in our country? From a purely objective point of view, that does not make any sense. Even the sight of a beautiful spreading oak tree ...[text shortened]... ne walking a Florida beach in full robed black hijab type regalia with only eyes showing

0 boy………

France banned those full-face hijabs some years ago. More countries should do that.

@athousandyoung said
If Muhammad was a pedo so was Saint Joseph, husband to the Mother of God.

Joseph the husband of Mary was an ordinary man, who started no religion. Where you got the idea he was a pedophile ? I really dont care. I dont worship the man.

@zahlanzi said
don't engage in anecdotes. it weakens your point.

his point is moronic and is not made less so because you had dinner with a muslim.

there are more than a billion muslims in the world, living their lives in peace, in democratic muslim countries. More than a billion muslims with varying degrees of religiosity, just like there are christians who have never stepped foot ...[text shortened]... amily in a bomb dropped by a drone. When they are starving because of a siege or economic sanctions.

And people drop bombs on them because they are good for nothing terrorists ... you damn fool. People do not go dropping bombs on decent respectable Muslims.

@zahlanzi said
"For instance, he's mortally afraid of Islam. He thinks it is going to spread and 'get him,' so Israel is literally a bulwark, stopping the flood. He mentioned that."
often, hate and fear go hand in hand.

"For me, having worked with Muslims, talked with Muslims about Islam (it always comes up) and visited Muslim countries (Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan, Indonesia), I don't fi ...[text shortened]... st die? This animal says no amount of palestinians deaths is too much as long as Hamas still exists.

These animals sing 'Death to Jews'.
Let them keep on singing.

@spruce112358 said
So, I used to live next to a Saudi in Vienna. He worked at the Embassy.

His children used to play in our small yard. They climbed our trees.

When I dined at his table, they served a lot of fruit. They were very friendly. The smell in their home was of cardamom. He did not wear robes and was not smelly.

He did not kill any homosexuals in my presence.

SO WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!??!?

In case you do not realise it you are losing credibility with the following argument which have done several times.
- a point is made about a country in general
- you rebutt with "i know one of them and he is not like that"
- therefore you conclude that the point made is not true.

I cannot believe you are a learned and educated person. The human rights record in these Islamic states is dismal. In the case of the LGBQT community they face oppression and persecution and execution. Here is a Wiki extract about homosexuals in Saudi Arabia:

Lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) people in Saudi Arabia face challenges not experienced by non-LGBT residents.[3] The government of Saudi Arabia provides no legal protections for LGBT rights. Both male and female same-sex sexual activity is illegal within the country.[4]: 135–136 

The law of Saudi Arabia is uncodified; a Wahhabist interpretation of sharia, derived from the Quran and the Sunnah, is the basis of the law and justice system.[5]: 205  In particular, the Quranic account of the prophet Lut and certain teachings of Muhammad in the Sunnah, as viewed in the Wahhabi tradition, inform the legal treatment of same-sex sexual activity and nonconforming-gender presentation. Homosexuality and transgender status or gender non-conformity are widely seen as immoral and indecent, and the law allows penalties for acts of homosexuality of capital punishment,[4]: 69–74 [1][6] prison sentences of indeterminate length[a][2] (the maximum term is unknown[7]), fines, flogging, and deportation for foreigners.[8] During investigations and detentions, mistreatment of suspects and detainees, including beatings and torture, have occurred.[5]: 208–209  Community violence against LGBT persons occurs.[9][10]

In May 2023, the Saudi Tourism Authority website updated its FAQ page stating that all visitors, including LGBT visitors, were welcome to visit the country.[11] Though homosexuality remains illegal, enforcement of the laws is not universal.[12] The move follows a series of social and economic changes, including the abandonment of the enforcement of wearing the hijab in public,[13][14] and the opening of the first public beach in Saudi Arabia where women can wear bikinis.[15] The decision to host the 2034 FIFA World Cup within Saudi Arabia received strong criticism from the LGBT community.[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Saudi_Arabia