Originally posted by josephwAnd so the scam continues....
[b]"You just have to die with JC in your heart, or some version of this?"
No. You have to "live with JC in your heart".
"Why do you always have to wait for death in Christianity?"
Where did you get that idea? Eternal life is a gift. Once received one never dies.[/b]
Originally posted by josephwI got the idea from Christians.
[b]"You just have to die with JC in your heart, or some version of this?"
No. You have to "live with JC in your heart".
"Why do you always have to wait for death in Christianity?"
Where did you get that idea? Eternal life is a gift. Once received one never dies.[/b]
I have not heard of Christian thought (except maybe the Gnostics) embrace eternity while alive. We goto heaven ( WHEN DEAD ) and get judged and either stay in heaven or goto hell. Is this not Christianity 101?
Originally posted by josephwI was taken in by it for the better part of three decades, josephw, and held fast to the supposed truth of it all with great sincerity during that time. But I ended up liberated from - what I came to realize were - its numbing and curiosity-truncating psychological seductions.
Of course you are. But you are unaware of the truth of it.
Those Christian years were very nice - and certainly very positive - in many ways, but the religion's seeming vitalization - I gradually came to realize - owed more to my own growing spiritual core functioning with increasing acuteness and awareness, rather than to ancient mythology, elaborate doctrines, and the extraordinarily convoluted Christian cult of personality that grew out of it.
And it's been empowering to have gradually shaken myself free from its intellectual and spiritual clutches.
To be frank, in retrospect, it does seem like a very restricted and stylized prism through which to view our human condition, and I see evidence of those restrictions and seductions in the demeanour and intellectual behaviour of many of the Christians on this forum day after day.
I may be accused of many things, josephw, [the insufferable arrogance in how I am testifying in this way, for one, perhaps!], but being "unaware" of what being a Christian means and entails, is certainly not one of them. It wasn't as if I tried it out for just a few years.
Because of my experience, I am of course able to empathize with you when you extol the virtues and benefits of your faith, even if I no longer share it. 🙂
16 Dec 16
Originally posted by josephw
Has it been that long? 🙂
I haven't gone anywhere, and I've kept up with the reading. I guess I just got bored with myself! After all, I've been wrangling with you guys for ten years now. How am I supposed to simply quit a bad habit overnight? 😉
I guess I just got bored with myself! After all, I've been wrangling with you guys for ten years now.
If it took you a month, imagine how we feel!
Originally posted by karoly aczelDo you have a couple of koans which were your favorite or from which you got something ?
So it has come back to this again ....
Zen is seen as the refinement of Buddhist "thought".
It was born with the Buddha in India, travelled via China, and was sharpened into a hammer in Japan.
Or so it is simplified,by some like me, however: there is nothing more complex.
Ideas?
I'd like to know if you did ?