29 Jul 07
1 edit
Originally posted by KellyJayLet's take this as a given. Jesus took on humanity, Adam was only a man. I don't see why this is
There is also the difference in that Adam was created as a man while
Jesus took on humanity, a difference with quite a distinction.
relevant to the discussion.
Here's what we know (believe):
Did they both have free will? Yes.
Did they both have a choice to sin? Yes.
Did they both react the same way? No.
Why? What about Jesus' nature made it such that He didn't sin?
And, whatever this is, why wouldn't God have put this into Adam's nature such that he would freely
choose not to sin?
Nemesio
29 Jul 07
Jesus was the only person that did not sin. This is because he is God and became man to be in a form that we could understand. By him taking that form he was also able to pay the sin debt for all man kind all we have to do is just believe and we will be saved from our sin.
This is so easy that it's hard for an adult to understand. We must think as a child to understand that a God came from heaven and died rose and will come again and would have done it if you were the only person on earth!
Jesus is not a maybe god he is God. We ALL SIN and come short of the glory of God!
29 Jul 07
1 edit
Originally posted by NemesioIf you take it as a given that Jesus took on humanity, for you what do
Let's take this as a given. Jesus took on humanity, Adam was only a man. I don't see why this is
relevant to the discussion.
Here's what we know (believe):
Did they both have free will? Yes.
Did they both have a choice to sin? Yes.
Did they both react the same way? No.
Why? What about Jesus' nature made it such that He didn't sin?
have put this into Adam's nature such that he would freely
choose not to sin?
Nemesio
you think that means? Adam was created during the time God was
creating the universe, so the differences between them is something
of note. You are looking at the actions and the ability both shared,
with Jesus the answer came for us. It wasn't impossible for Adam to
walk the walk he just choose not to, while Jesus simply did it while
running into tempations left and right. Jesus not only had to deal with
Satan giving it his best shot at causing him to fall, Jesus also had to
deal with us too, and you can look at how we treated Him.
Kelly
29 Jul 07
Originally posted by KellyJayRight. Jesus had free will, Adam had free will.
It wasn't impossible for Adam to
walk the walk he just choose not to, while Jesus simply did it while
running into tempations left and right.
One sinned, the other didn't.
If Jesus had been in the garden of Eden, would He have eaten the fruit? Of course not.
So there is something different about Jesus that made it clear that sin was the wrong course of
action. What about Jesus compelled Him to avoid sin that Adam lacked?
Nemesio
29 Jul 07
Originally posted by NemesioJesus was, is, and will be the Word of God.
Right. Jesus had free will, Adam had free will.
One sinned, the other didn't.
If Jesus had been in the garden of Eden, would He have eaten the fruit? Of course not.
So there is something different about Jesus that made it clear that sin was the wrong course of
action. What about Jesus compelled Him to avoid sin that Adam lacked?
Nemesio
Kelly
30 Jul 07
2 edits
Originally posted by NemesioEverything Jesus did He did as a man while He was here, He was
It would seem, then that Jesus didn't have free will, then, because it was impossible for Him to sin.
Why is this perspective wrong?
Nemesio
tempted in all points like us, God isn't tempted with sin. If Jesus came
here and acted as 'God' at any time while walking as the Son of man
then during those times He was not walking as one of us, and it could
not be said that He was tempted like us, because He could turn it off
and on when He felt like it. He could have sinned, that was possible,
but He did not, which is an act of will by the way.
Kelly
30 Jul 07
Originally posted by KellyJayWould you say that Jesus experienced every feeling that humans felt while here on earth?
Everything Jesus did He did as a man while He was here, He was
tempted in all points like us, God isn't tempted with sin. If Jesus came
here and acted as 'God' at any time while walking as the Son of man
then during those times He was not walking as one of us, and it could
not be said that He was tempted like us, because He could turn it off
and on whe ...[text shortened]... d have sinned, that was possible,
but He did not, which is an act of will by the way.
Kelly
That is, he understood firsthand all of the emotions that we go through?
30 Jul 07
Originally posted by KellyJayAre you saying when He was tempted, He turned on the 'Godself' and thus didn't sin?
Everything Jesus did He did as a man while He was here, He was
tempted in all points like us, God isn't tempted with sin. If Jesus came
here and acted as 'God' at any time while walking as the Son of man
then during those times He was not walking as one of us, and it could
not be said that He was tempted like us, because He could turn it off
and on whe ...[text shortened]... d have sinned, that was possible,
but He did not, which is an act of will by the way.
Kelly
Or did He avoid sin as a man?
Nemesio
31 Jul 07
1 edit
Originally posted by NemesioHe did it as a man, from the point of being tempted to be point of
Are you saying when He was tempted, He turned on the 'Godself' and thus didn't sin?
Or did He avoid sin as a man?
Nemesio
rejection of sin, it was all done as a man, again Jesus wasn't created
like Adam He took it upon Himself to be like us.
John 1:14
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Kelly
31 Jul 07
Originally posted by blakbuzzrdI used the words I meant too, He was tempted in all points like us
Would you say that Jesus experienced every feeling that humans felt while here on earth?
That is, he understood firsthand all of the emotions that we go through?
and yet without sin. He lived as one of us, He went through what He
went through as a man, He faced regret over things He could not
change, He was disappointed, He was amazed, He did it all as the
Son of Man.
Kelly
01 Aug 07
Originally posted by KellyJayOkay, so Jesus was tempted as a man and avoided sin as a man. Jesus' Godself didn't play a role.
He did it as a man, from the point of being tempted to be point of
rejection of sin, it was all done as a man, again Jesus wasn't created
like Adam He took it upon Himself to be like us.
John 1:14
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Kelly
Adam was tempted as a man and failed to avoid sin as a man.
Why didn't God create Adam's manhood such that he was more like Jesus and consequently freely
chose to not sin?
Nemesio