Why would Abraham ...

@moonbus said
No, it isn't a direct manifestation. Read the passages. When God directs Abraham to kill his son, there is no mention of "an angel of the Lord" but there is when the command is later countermanded.

EDIT: I'm going by what it actually says in the Bible. Sometimes "God said X" and sometimes "an angel of the Lord said X". Are these equivalent? Do they have the s ...[text shortened]... in Galatians, 'believe what I, Paul told you, even if an angel tells you otherwise.' ?

Yes they are equivalent, and no I won’t cite a passage which says they are equivalent; it’s your thread and your claim, the onus of the burden of proof is one you.

Ask the person who you got this idea from, perhaps they can help.

@moonbus said
So, why would Abraham not have thought, 'hey, this may be a fallen angel, tempting me to disobey God's command? The last time someone disobeyed a direct order from God, because an angel said it would be ok, it got everybody into a hell of a lot of trouble.' ??

Because there is a difference between a named “Angel” such as Michael or Gabriel or Lucifer, and the “angel of the lord”.

Tell me how Abraham was supposed to know what Paul wrote.

Just goes to show the mind trails that people who are ignorant try to put others through.

Not that most people in this forum are not as ignorant as moonbus.

Seriously, anyone know why Abraham would not know about Paul's warning?

@moonbus said
Can you cite a reference to Kierkegaard's work? I have Kierkegaard on my shelf, he's on the 'read this someday' list but haven't gotten round to him yet.

The work you will be looking for is Fear & Trembling.

The book starts right off on the topic.

Here is a link to a free PDF online:

http://www.jrbooksonline.com/PDF_Books_added2009-2/FearAndTrembling.pdf

@eladar said
Seriously, anyone know why Abraham would not know about Paul's warning?

I hate to write this, but seriously, are you stupid?

@Eladar

Interesting

@Philokalia Also interesting.

@suzianne said
I hate to write this, but seriously, are you stupid?

No, moonbus is.

He is the one wondering why Abraham did not follow Paul's instruction. He is wondering why the instruction would apply to Joseph Smith and why not Abraham.

@KellyJay

Exodus 3:2 - That was Christ before incarnation as a man.

A number of times Christ appears as the Angel of Jehovah in the Old Testament before His incarnation as a man through the virgin Mary.

@galveston75

The archangel, Michael, is the chief angel in terms of power and authority. The Scriptures clearly indicate that Michael is another name for Jesus Christ.​—1 Thessalonians 4:16; Jude 9.

No it doesn't Galveston. Both your verses there are forced shoe-ins of highly dubious stretching.

The most important mission of the Jehovah's Witnesses, their single and central motivation is to teach that Jesus Christ is not God.

Of the hundreds of other things they teach, more or less true, their most important doctrine to proclaim is that Jesus Christ is not God.

So they say He is Michael the archangel. He has to be somebody. They have chosen the angel Michael for Christ to be rather than Jehovah God incarnated.

Excuse me for the side note to this discussion on Abraham's obedience.

@sonship said
@KellyJay

Exodus 3:2 - That was Christ before incarnation as a man.

A number of times Christ appears as the Angel of Jehovah in the Old Testament before His incarnation as a man through the virgin Mary.

So your logic is:
Jesus is an angel of God
Jesus is God
Mary was with child by God
Jesus impregnated Mary
Jesus is his own Father.

Great doctrine.
No wonder you are in a cult.
Your brain is a mess.

@eladar said
No, moonbus is.

He is the one wondering why Abraham did not follow Paul's instruction. He is wondering why the instruction would apply to Joseph Smith and why not Abraham.

He did not say that. You are putting words in his mouth.

@suzianne said
He did not say that. You are putting words in his mouth.

He started this thread in response to our discussion in the mormon thread. You can find an invitation to continue tge discussiin about angels and galatians 1 in that mormon thread.