25 Oct 10
Originally posted by twhiteheadWe agree
Brute facts are a logical necessity. Even a theist must assume some brute facts (the existence of God could be one, and some of his various attributes would be others).
Thus any argument that relies on the claim that there is always a why is doomed to failure. It is however still a very popular argument because people for some reason think that one or t ...[text shortened]... ause" problems rather than answering them.
Why does the universe exist?
Why is there evil?
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25 Oct 10
Originally posted by duecerJust to clarify, you're proposing that god created the universe, the earth, man, woman, angels, et cetera, all in six days, from nothing, without using supernatural powers, is that right? And he lives forever, is all-powerful and all-knowing, and all this utilising "arts and sciences we have yet to discover and understand" but which you consider that we may eventually discover and understand?
Who said that God works outside natural law? what you may call supernatural, I prefer to think of as arts and sciences we have yet to discover and understand.
I see. Well, considering our current technological level, I'd have to say that those arts and sciences to which you refer seem to me to be precisely what the word 'supernatural' was coined to describe.
25 Oct 10
Originally posted by black beetlei am sorry dear beetle that you must be subject to such ill conceived accusation from those who should know better!
My brain and your brain are identical. I am neither better nor worse than you.
Kindly please explain what exactly you think that I am unable to conceive;
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25 Oct 10
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Originally posted by avalanchethecatprecisely where in my post do I say any of those things?
Just to clarify, you're proposing that god created the universe, the earth, man, woman, angels, et cetera, all in six days, from nothing, without using supernatural powers, is that right? And he lives forever, is all-powerful and all-knowing, and all this utilising "arts and sciences we have yet to discover and understand" but which you consider tha you refer seem to me to be precisely what the word 'supernatural' was coined to describe.
I see. Well, considering our current technological level, I'd have to say that those arts and sciences to which you refer seem to me to be precisely what the word 'supernatural' was coined to describe.
45 years ago Star Trek had people communicating with people in space via wirelss handheld devices. Today we make phones more sophisticated than those "communicators". Scientists couldn't begin to imagine how that was possible. I wonder what the next 45 years will reveal😕
25 Oct 10
Originally posted by duecernanotechnology and its applications in medical science are gonna be huge, Borgs like you can look forward to being semi organic 🙂
precisely where in my post do I say any of those things?
[b]I see. Well, considering our current technological level, I'd have to say that those arts and sciences to which you refer seem to me to be precisely what the word 'supernatural' was coined to describe.
45 years ago Star Trek had people communicating with people in space via wirelss handheld ...[text shortened]... dn't begin to imagine how that was possible. I wonder what the next 45 years will reveal😕[/b]
25 Oct 10
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Originally posted by duecerYeah, all that's based on principles and natural laws that were quite well known and understood 45 years ago. What are the principles and natural laws that are going to enable the creation of a universe populated with intelligent (well, self-aware anyway) subjects in six days?
precisely where in my post do I say any of those things?
[b]I see. Well, considering our current technological level, I'd have to say that those arts and sciences to which you refer seem to me to be precisely what the word 'supernatural' was coined to describe.
45 years ago Star Trek had people communicating with people in space via wirelss handheld dn't begin to imagine how that was possible. I wonder what the next 45 years will reveal😕[/b]
(Incidentally, cellular mobile phone technology was first proposed in 1947...)
25 Oct 10
Originally posted by avalanchethecatThe earth and man were not created in 6 literal days. But God could have if he had wanted no doubt. Who are you to say what he can and can't do?
Yeah, all that's based on principles and natural laws that were quite well known and understood 45 years ago. What are the principles and natural laws that are going to enable the creation of a universe populated with intelligent (well, self-aware anyway) subjects in six days?
(Incidentally, cellular mobile phone technology was first proposed in 1947...)