21 Mar 09
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Originally posted by scherzoyes, i thank you for this, now can i ask you, how powerful do you think this Zionist lobby is, for to me its seems incredible that governments will tolerate the killing of innocent women and children in Palestine and remain incredibly nonchalant, while fighting an ideological war in Afghanistan which we hear about almost every day, will someone please explain to me, what soldiers are fighting for in Afghanistan and why the present administration was silent over the recent atrocities in Palestine. Is it truly a case of a Zionist controlled media?
Well, your suspicions may be correct: it is in part because of the media.
It is also probably because of the old Orientalism that regarded Islam as a sort of "competitor" to Christianity, and thus became very defensive.
Another factor may be the Zionist lobby, which will twist anything to achieve its goals.
It's not just one factor.
21 Mar 09
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThat's how powerful it is. You just said it yourself.
yes, i thank you for this, now can i ask you, how powerful do you think this Zionist lobby is, for to me its seems incredible that governments will tolerate the killing of innocent women and children in Palestine and remain incredibly nonchalant, while fighting an ideological war in Afghanistan which we hear about almost every day, will someone pleas ...[text shortened]... ilent over the recent atrocities in Palestine. Is it truly a case of a Zionist controlled media?
21 Mar 09
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Originally posted by scherzook, I understand. I really do weep when i see those kids, cowering in fear, at times its too much to take, it could be my kid! can I ask you is this the reason why you are personally involved, the injustice and the inhumanity or do you really believe that Islam is the solution?
That's how powerful it is. You just said it yourself.
21 Mar 09
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI became involved when I was still an atheist, and back then it was merely because I sympathized with the struggle of my people and felt it was my duty to help them. Now, though, I think the establishment of a Muslim state is the solution. Of course, the injustice is a huge factor, but it is part of the problem. Islam is part of the solution.
ok, I understand. I really do weep when i see those kids, cowering in fear, at times its too much to take, it could be my kid! can I ask you is this the reason why you are personally involved, the injustice and the inhumanity or do you really believe that Islam is the solution?
22 Mar 09
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Originally posted by scherzowhen you say 'Muslim state', what do you envision in your mind, for there are many different entities, claiming to be Muslim states at present, also uniformity may be difficult, for as you are aware, there are many different ideologies at work, even in 'Islamic states'. Also when you say 'youre people', are you referring to the Muslim brotherhood in general or to a specific people, as in the Palestinians etc
I became involved when I was still an atheist, and back then it was merely because I sympathized with the struggle of my people and felt it was my duty to help them. Now, though, I think the establishment of a Muslim state is the solution. Of course, the injustice is a huge factor, but it is part of the problem. Islam is part of the solution.
22 Mar 09
Originally posted by robbie carrobieBy "Muslim state" I mean a state with a religion, but with progressive laws regarding women's rights, etc. Tunisia or Jordan are good examples of such states (although both have despotic rulers).
when you say 'Muslim state', what do you envision in your mind, for there are many different entities, claiming to be Muslim states at present, also uniformity may be difficult, for as you are aware, there are many different ideologies at work, even in 'Islamic states'. Also when you say 'youre people', are you referring to the Muslim brotherhood in general or to a specific people, as in the Palestinians etc
By "my people," I refer to the Palestinians, although retrospectively, the other option could work.
22 Mar 09
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Originally posted by scherzoPerhaps this is part of why people "hate" Muslims. They think that instituing an Islamic state is part of the over all solution of what is wrong with the world. I think that countries like Iran can attest to the fallacy of this form of thinking yet it persists. Or ask Hamas and Fatah the same question as they fight each other in the streets of Palastine.
I became involved when I was still an atheist, and back then it was merely because I sympathized with the struggle of my people and felt it was my duty to help them. Now, though, I think the establishment of a Muslim state is the solution. Of course, the injustice is a huge factor, but it is part of the problem. Islam is part of the solution.
22 Mar 09
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Originally posted by scherzoLet me ask you this my friend, for it seems somewhat self evident, do you think that Islam and democracy are compatible? If not, why not?
By "Muslim state" I mean a state with a religion, but with progressive laws regarding women's rights, etc. Tunisia or Jordan are good examples of such states (although both have despotic rulers).
By "my people," I refer to the Palestinians, although retrospectively, the other option could work.
22 Mar 09
Originally posted by scherzoI think you should be careful about the use of 'state' and 'country'. Iran is an "Islamic State" - constitutionally. Tunsia is a "Muslim country" - demographically. Indonesia is the world's third biggest democracy and indicates that the predominance of Islam and a flourishing democracy are not mutually exclusive.
By "Muslim state" I mean a state with a religion, but with progressive laws regarding women's rights, etc. Tunisia or Jordan are good examples of such states (although both have despotic rulers).