@fmf saidI agree. The Christian belief is also rooted in the Hebrew belief, which is rooted in pain, “O woe is us, we are always being tested.” The whole schtick about sin and atonement is absent from both Islam and Buddhism.
I put it down to social psychology and anthropology. I think Christian belief in many instances is rooted in misanthropy and narcissism.
29 Aug 22
@kellyjay saidNo. You were talking about likes and dislikes, about figuring it out what was correct. Here for the fourth time then, is my question to you.
I am talking about if there is no natural explanation for the universe does this by necessity requires one that transcends nature.
When you are here mentioning “dislikes” and presumably “likes” are you talking about people using their moral compass in a rational way to make decisions?
When you are here mentioning “correct” and presumably “incorrect” and people “figuring out” isn’t that people also using their moral compass in a rational way to make those decisions?
29 Aug 22
@kellyjay saidWhat reality? What truth? Does it not occur to you that Buddhists and Hindus would say that you're the one who is not looking at the reality, you're the one denying the manifest truth -- namely, there are past lives, and therefore that your Christian belief that people live only once and are then transported to a nether world of eternal pain or eternal pleasure is false.
If you wish to look at and for reality, it's here; if you only want to make it up as you
go, you can color it any way you like; you will not change reality. It looks obvious
which pill you'd take if offered, the red one or the blue; ignore the truth or move
on and believe whatever you want. That is the truth about hard facts; they remain
the same regardless of how we deal with the gaps.
Appealing to "reality" and "truth" does not get any traction. These beliefs in transcendental things are all based on something else than what you are pleased to think of as truth and reality.
29 Aug 22
@moonbus saidI acknowledge that humanity is divided; we hate, steal, murder, rape, abuse, belittle,
What reality? What truth? Does it not occur to you that Buddhists and Hindus would say that you're the one who is not looking at the reality, you're the one denying the manifest truth -- namely, there are past lives, and therefore that your Christian belief that people live only once and are then transported to a nether world of eternal pain or eternal pleasure is fals ...[text shortened]... l things are all based on something else than what you are pleased to think of as truth and reality.
and lie to and about one another, including being kind, loving, caring, and so on.
The world isn't divided into good people and bad; the whole has a mix of good and
bad, so obviously we don't agree with one another, what binds us is broken in us.
Do you think it strange that people are divided on the truth, the what, and why
some things are important and others are not? Are we a divided people?
Our disagreements do not dispel the truth of reality from existence; they show that
we are not what we should be in understanding it. Your claim that we are not faced
with eternity; is it just something you want to be so; therefore, it is? Why do you
think that when you don't know how or why we are here and don't care about it
either? It isn't reason, is it, or did you read that somewhere from a trusted source?
Do you want it to be so, therefore you proclaim as so?
29 Aug 22
@kellyjay saidI’ll try again then…
They can build their views around what they dislike
instead of simply figuring out what is correct.
Above is what you claimed on page three and have been dodging ever since. My question to you for the fifth time is this:
When you are here mentioning “dislikes” and presumably “likes” are you talking about people using their moral compass in a rational way to make decisions?
When you are here mentioning “correct” and presumably “incorrect” and people “figuring out” isn’t that people also using their moral compass in a rational way to make those decisions?
29 Aug 22
@kellyjay saidAll human beings deserve to be sent to a kind of eternal Auschwitz-Birkenau by Jesus, don't they, according to your worldview, KellyJay? You'll be spared, though, won't you, because you believe in Jesus, right? Now, why do YOU believe that when other people don't?
I acknowledge that humanity is divided; we hate, steal, murder, rape, abuse, belittle,
and lie to and about one another, including being kind, loving, caring, and so on.
The world isn't divided into good people and bad; the whole has a mix of good and
bad, so obviously we don't agree with one another, what binds us is broken in us.
29 Aug 22
@divegeester saidIf you dislike a proposition and it is true, your attitude toward it isn't going to alter
I’ll try again then…
Above is what you claimed on page three and have been dodging ever since. My question to you for the fifth time is this:
When you are here mentioning “dislikes” and presumably “likes” are you talking about people using their moral compass in a rational way to make decisions?
When you are here mentioning “correct” and presumably “incorrect ...[text shortened]... out” isn’t that people also using their moral compass in a rational way to make those decisions?
its truthfulness, regardless of your opinion. If you are using your likes to make
decisions, that isn't using reasoning. That doesn't stop you or anyone from doing it,
but rational decisions are based on logic and reason.
29 Aug 22
@fmf saidWhy ask me am I the focal point of who goes where? I didn't create the universe,
All human beings deserve to be sent to a kind of eternal Auschwitz-Birkenau by Jesus, don't they, according to your worldview, KellyJay? You'll be spared, though, won't you, because you believe in Jesus, right? Now, why do YOU believe that when other people don't?
I'm not the judge of all the earth? Hell is much worse than Auschwitz; there will be
no end, while death allows those in Auschwitz to leave it, for those who can kill the
body can do no more.
@fmf saidDo you think they should all agree with each other one way or another? Seriously,
Why do people like you believe this when other people don't?
what kind of question is that, given your stance on truth and opinions, do you think
those who accept it and those that reject it have opinions? Are all opinions driven
by truth or personal preferences, maybe a mixture of both preferences and what
they think it is true?
People like me, being what?
@kellyjay saidIs that yes or no….?
If you dislike a proposition and it is true, your attitude toward it isn't going to alter
its truthfulness, regardless of your opinion. If you are using your likes to make
decisions, that isn't using reasoning. That doesn't stop you or anyone from doing it,
but rational decisions are based on logic and reason.
So you were talking about and explaining how people use their moral compasses and rational reasoning to discern what is correct?