Spirituality
10 Jun 10
Originally posted by avalanchethecatMost likely. However, I would place serious doubts on reports of Jesus' lineage as reported in the New Testament, considering none of the gospels (as far as I know) was written by an eye-witness or even a contemporary of Jesus.
Oh sure, (2) no doubt, but still it seems there's likely to be a certain amount of garbled history in the thing, don't you think?
Originally posted by SwissGambitSexy Decoy! Sexy Decoy!
I came in here expecting a Maury Povich-like paternity test thread and instead got this.
"Abraham, you are NOT the great grandfather."
A: Whew. Told ya, byatch.
"Holy Spirit, you ARE the father!"
HS: Aww damn, now I gotta ask God to up my allowance so I can pay child support. 😞
Originally posted by PBE6I suppose. Bound to have been a desire to link him to Abraham I guess. What about the brothers issue? James? Jude? Paul? Any views?
Most likely. However, I would place serious doubts on reports of Jesus' lineage as reported in the New Testament, considering none of the gospels (as far as I know) was written by an eye-witness or even a contemporary of Jesus.
Originally posted by avalanchethecatYou want to know if bible-believers believe that Mary was a virgin or not?
I'm interested to hear the views of serious bible-believers on this subject. I doubt you are one of those but thanks for your valued insights.
They ALL do. Is it even possible to be a Christian and not believe in a miraculous birth? The basic tent of Christianity is that Jesus was the Son of God.
Originally posted by darvlayAnd do they therefore not believe Abraham was Jesus' ancestor?
You want to know if bible-believers believe that Mary was a virgin or not?
They ALL do. Is it even possible to be a Christian and not believe in a miraculous birth? The basic tent of Christianity is that Jesus was the Son of God.
Originally posted by darvlay“Joseph was clearly the son of Jacob (Matthew 1:16, so this verse [Luke 3:23 - says “son of Heli”] should be understood to mean “son-in-law of Heli.” Thus, the genealogy of Christ in Luke is actually the genealogy of Mary, while Matthew gives that of Joseph. Actually, the word “son” is not in the original, so it would be legitimate to supply either “son” or “son-in-law” in this context. Since Matthew and Luke clearly record much common material, it is certain that neither one could unknowingly incorporate such a flagrant apparent mistake as the wrong genealogy in his record. As it is, however, the two genealogies show that both parents were descendants of David—Joseph through Solomon (Matthew 1:7-15), thus inheriting the legal right to the throne of David, and Mary through Nathan (Luke 3:23-31), her line thus carrying the seed of David, since Solomon’s line had been refused the throne because of Jechoniah’s sin” [Dr. Henry M. Morris, The Defender’s Study Bible, note for Luke 3:23 (Iowa Falls, Iowa: World Publishing, Inc., 1995).].
What is this - day one in sunday school? Yes, Mary was a virgin.
If you read the begats in Matthew 1 - they connect Abraham with Joseph, Jesus' father -- not Mary.
Not sure if that information is of any use to you, but there you go.
Originally posted by ZahlanziThere you go. Interseting to know. Thanks Z.
“Joseph was clearly the son of Jacob (Matthew 1:16, so this verse [Luke 3:23 - says “son of Heli”] should be understood to mean “son-in-law of Heli.” Thus, the genealogy of Christ in Luke is actually the genealogy of Mary, while Matthew gives that of Joseph. Actually, the word “son” is not in the original, so it would be legitimate to supply either “s ...[text shortened]... e Defender’s Study Bible, note for Luke 3:23 (Iowa Falls, Iowa: World Publishing, Inc., 1995).].
Originally posted by avalanchethecatAnd you are astounded by this vaguely incestuous thing? Let me tell you another story: after destruction of Sodoma village, the only worth to save from killing, unsinnfull family was the Lot's family. Leaving beside the fact that Lot's wife was petrified by god only for looking back toward the village, guess what happened the following two nights? Lot's daughters drunk their father and make sex with him....a true role model family.
It's all starting to sound vaguely incestuous.