@kellyjaysaid In order to abandon Jesus as Peter, one would have had to actually walk with Christ.
"Actually walking with Christ" is a metaphorical way of referring to a sincerely held set of subjective thoughts, opinions and beliefs about oneself and the significance and identity of someone who died 2,000 years ago.
In this sense, anyone can "actually walk with Christ" ~ they can think they do, claim they do, and be absolutely convinced they literally do ~ and then, if they find they no longer believe any of that stuff, you can use the verb "abandon" to describe "no longer believing" something.
@kellyjaysaid In order to abandon Jesus as Peter, one would have had to actually walk with Christ.
When I was a Christian, the belief that I was "actually walking with Christ" felt as real and as sincere and as convincing to me as it continues to do to you today [because, unlike me, you are still a Christian].
If ever you lose your faith, you will look back on your beliefs - as they stand today - as having felt utterly real and sincere and convincing, regardless of the fact that you would no longer believe you were "actually walking with Christ".
The substance of "actually walking with Christ" is merely a collection of subjective self-perceptions influenced by religious doctrine.
@kellyjaysaid Matthew 16
Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say that the Son of Man is?” And they said, “Some say John the Baptist, others say Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”
Who do you say Jesus is?
Jesus is the Christ, the Word of God, who is the only begotten of the Father, came to take away the sins of the world. The Savior whom we can place our faith in for our salvation in His work, that He has done on our behalf. Our great shepherd, who even today can and will enter into our lives, causing us to be born again, filling us with the Holy Spirit without whom we die our sins.
Several people are willing to discuss or debate it with you ~ here on a discussion and debate forum. And yet you don't seem to want to ~ even though it was you who raised the topic.
@kellyjaysaid Our great shepherd, who even today can and will enter into our lives, causing us to be born again, filling us with the Holy Spirit without whom we die our sins.
Is there any evidence whatsoever ~ in the way you acquit yourself in this community [regurgitation of religious doctrine aside, because that surely cannot count, in and of itself] ~ that you are "filled" with "the Holy Spirit"?
@fmfsaid Several people are willing to discuss or debate it with you ~ here on a discussion and debate forum. And yet you don't seem to want to ~ even though it was you who raised the topic.
Why would I want to debate your walk with Christ for?
Addressing my reply to you ~ disingenuously ~ but by using whodey as a proxy? You don't even have the courage or integrity to talk to me indirectly - through somebody ELSE - in good faith.
@kellyjaysaid He admits he didn’t walk with Christ and then assumes everyone else never did as well.
In so far as I have defined what the notion "walk with Christ" actually means, I absolutely did "walk with Christ" and have not "admitted" that I didn't. Nor have I "assumed" that you haven't - ever since you became a Christian - or that you aren't doing so now at this point in your life. Don't mischaracterize what I said. Don't be so low-integrity, KellyJay.
27 Feb '20 04:19
Who do people say I am?
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