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Originally posted by FMF
Slavery used to be in accordance with the law of your version of God. Slavery is no longer permitted by your version of God, unless you reckon it is. Does your version of God still endorse slavery?

1.where does the Bible state that Gods laws have changed,
2.where is it written that slavery is no longer permitted
3.which laws are you saying have changed, the ones with regard to slavery, please tell the forum where they have changed, you are after all asserting that they are, are you not?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
we are not talking of slavery we are talking of whether God has changed, this was your critique of Galvestons statement....

galveston75's claimed "God's ways do not change and neither do his laws and principles change". In the case of slavery alone, never mind all the other changes that people like yourself and sonship have pointed out, God's "law" and "principle", and with the Old and New Covevants, his "ways" too, have all changed. galveston75's claim is nonsense.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
2.where is it written that slavery is no longer permitted

Is slavery still permitted?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
3.which laws are you saying have changed, the ones with regard to slavery, please tell the forum where they have changed, you are after all asserting that they are, are you not?

Your version God used to endorse slavery. Does He still endorse slavery?

Originally posted by FMF
Slavery used to be in accordance with the law of your version of God. Slavery is no longer permitted by your version of God, unless you reckon it is. Does your version of God still endorse slavery?

you are simply an imbecile, this is entirely typical of the type of crap that you subject the forum to on a daily basis, you have stated.

Gods laws have changed. you were asked, which laws, evidence nil, you were asked to cite chapter and verse, evidence nil, you have now stated that Gods laws on slavery have changed, evidence nil.

Originally posted by FMF
Your version God [b]used to endorse slavery. Does He still endorse slavery?[/b]

why don't you tell me then where it has changed, you said it.

WHERE HAS GODS LAWS CHANGED,

please show us.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
you are simply an imbecile, this is entirely typical of the type of crap that you subject the forum to on a daily basis, you have stated.

Directing personal remarks at me does not address the substance of what I am saying.

Is slavery still permitted?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
why don't you tell me then where it has changed, you said it.

Your version of God once endorsed slavery. Unless you are claiming otherwise, He does not endorse it anymore. That's the "change".

Originally posted by sonship
The law of Moses did not "endorse" [b]slavery any more than it "endorsed" divorce.

It made provision for the practice which was customary among cultures of the Ancient Near East. It made provision for fact of life which was highly likely to occur.

Men get tired of their wives and seek to divorce them.
The law of Moses hardly "endorse ...[text shortened]... should you have a slave or find yourself as a slave is not an "endorsement" .[/b]

Is slavery still permitted by your God figure?

Originally posted by sonship
Instructions on what to do should you have a slave or find yourself as a slave is not an [b]"endorsement" .[/b]

Did God's "instructions" forbid slavery? If not then the practice was clearly endorsed.

Originally posted by sonship
The law of Moses did not "endorse" [b]slavery any more than it "endorsed" divorce.

It made provision for the practice which was customary among cultures of the Ancient Near East. It made provision for fact of life which was highly likely to occur.

Men get tired of their wives and sought to divorce them to get another.
The law of Mose ...[text shortened]... should you have a slave or find yourself as a slave is not an "endorsement" .[/b]

The law was given to Moses by God.
But then Moses made an accommodation??????


If God's law is absolute and unchanging why would there be
an accommodation made?

Originally posted by FMF
Directing personal remarks at me does not address the substance of what I am saying.

Is slavery still permitted?

seeing that you will not answer any questions put to you because they demonstrate what a complete arrogant hypocrite you purport to be, I will, for the sake of any sincere person, produce the Bibles viewpoint on slavery, anyone wishing can come to their own conclusions may do so

Does the Bible Condone Slavery?

LOVE of neighbour is one of the fundamental teachings of the Bible. Love, however, is diametrically opposed to the concept of oppressive slavery. Hence, some people are puzzled by the mention of slavery in the Bible.

In ancient times God allowed his people to own slaves. (Genesis 14:14, 15) Even in the days of the apostles, some Christians were slave owners and some were slaves. (Philemon 15, 16) Does this mean that the Bible condones oppressive slavery?

Social Structures in Conflict With Bible Principles
By the time the Bible began to be written, humans had already established social structures and economic systems that conflicted with godly principles. While some of the practices involved were condemned in his written Law, God chose to tolerate others, such as slavery.

Regarding the social structure of the ancient nation of Israel, The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia states: “It was meant to function as a brotherhood in which, ideally, there were no poor [and there was] no exploitation of widows, waifs, or orphans.” Hence, more than simply allowing an already established social and economic structure, God’s Law regulated slavery so that, if practiced, slaves would be treated in a humane and loving manner.

Slavery in Bible History
Consider the following regulations included in the Law given through Moses:
*Kidnapping a man and then selling him was punishable by death. (Exodus 21:16) However, if despite all the provisions made to prevent poverty, an Israelite found himself deeply in debt, perhaps as a result of poor management, he could sell himself as a slave. In some cases he might even be able to earn a surplus by which he could redeem himself.—Leviticus 25:47-52.
*This was not the oppressive kind of slavery that has been common in many lands through the ages. Leviticus 25:39, 40 says: “In case your brother grows poor alongside you and he has to sell himself to you, you must not use him as a worker in slavish service. He should prove to be with you like a hired laborer, like a settler.” So this was a loving provision to care for Israel’s poorest.
*A person found guilty of stealing who was unable to make full restitution according to the Law could be sold as a slave and in this way pay off his debt. (Exodus 22:3) When he had worked off the debt, he could go free.
*Cruel and abusive slavery was not allowed under God’s Law to Israel. While masters were allowed to discipline their slaves, excesses were forbidden. A slave killed by his master was to be avenged. (Exodus 21:20) If the slave was maimed, losing a tooth or an eye, he was set free.—Exodus 21:26, 27.
*The maximum time that any Israelite would have to serve as a slave was six years. (Exodus 21:2) Hebrew slaves were set free in the seventh year of their service. The Law demanded that every 50 years all Israelite slaves were to be set free nationwide, regardless of how long the individual had been a slave.—Leviticus 25:40, 41.
*When a slave was released, the master was required to be generous toward him. Deuteronomy 15:13, 14 says: “In case you should send him out from you as one set free, you must not send him out empty-handed. You should surely equip him with something from your flock and your threshing floor and your oil and winepress.”
Later, in the days of Jesus and his apostles, slavery was an entrenched practice in the Roman Empire. As Christianity spread, it was inevitable that individuals who were slaves and others who were slave owners would come in contact with the good news and become Christians. Neither Jesus Christ himself nor his apostles preached a gospel of social liberation, as if trying to reform the existing system. Rather, both slaves and slave owners were admonished to love one another as spiritual brothers. Colossians 4:1; 1 Timothy 6:2.

The End of Slavery
As is the case with every Bible-related question, the issue of slavery must be considered in context. A careful examination of the Scriptures reveals that God deplores the mistreatment of humans.

Such an examination also reveals that the kind of slavery practiced by God’s people in the Bible is not the cruel and abusive slavery that is envisioned by most people today. And the Bible shows that God will deliver us from all forms of slavery in due time. Then, all mankind will enjoy true freedom, Isaiah 65:21, 22.

source: Jehovahs Witnesses

Originally posted by FMF
Your version of God once endorsed slavery. Unless you are claiming otherwise, He does not endorse it anymore. That's the "change".

you don't know anything because you are so full of your own self certified opinions. You have not the humility to admit that you are wrong nor the desire to learn anything that conflicts with your preconceptions.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
you don't know anything because you are so full of your own self certified opinions. You have not the humility to admit that you are wrong.

In this case I seem to be "full of" comments, observations and questions that make you resort to personal remarks and refuse to address the substance of what I am saying.

Is slavery still permitted according to your version of God?