@philokalia said
A brief answer:
https://www.redhotpawn.com/forum/spirituality/what-is-the-point-of-eternal-suffering.181749/page-23#post_4072043
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Another short answer:
https://www.redhotpawn.com/forum/spirituality/what-is-the-point-of-eternal-suffering.181749/page-20#post_4071031
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A longer answer that addresses the topic:
...[text shortened]... point without having adequately addressed any of these,[/i] it would be folly to engage you further.
Here are your alleged replies and my comments:
1) Eternal suffering doesn't move to a goal, but it is the fruit of the choices that people made, and thus is their just ends.
Here you claim there is no point. No point to the eternal torture of billions of souls. ‘It is just their ends’ you say. So pointless torture. Kind of my point actually, but clearly not your position.
2) If you mean 'point' as in the reason behind it, then it is people who have consciously rejected God (that also have immortal souls) being separated from the God that they chose to reject, and the fruits of this is what the authors of the Bible call the outer darkness.
Yes KellyJay keeps re-explaining WHAT is going to happen...but like you seems unable to bring any sort of point to eternally torturing billions of people.
3a) It's actually a matter of people getting their wishes fulfilled.
and you wonder why you are mocked in this forum...
3b)Those who do not wish to be close to God will not be close to God, they will live in the condition that they have chosen for them self. Is also certainly true that the word of God has been presented far and wide and that process is still being filled.
We can also bring up the passage from Luke chapter 12 which deals with the number of blows that a person will receive varying based upon how much somebody knows. I have no idea how that applies. It could apply very broadly in people who have all manner of excuses that were even in Christian societies might be dealed with in a manner that is far more liberal than even I would think. This is certainly not my decision to be made.
And that's kind of the beauty of it. No one has the right to make these decisions except God alone so we can just have faith in the Justice of God and worry about ourselves.
Another post by you confirming that there is no point to it, no point to the torture of billions of people. And yet you defend your version of God for doing it
4a)If you mean 'point' as in it is a process moving towards an end, there is no point.
“there is no point...
4b)If you mean 'point' as in the reason behind it, then it is people who have consciously rejected God (that also have immortal souls) being separated from the God that they chose to reject, and the fruits of this is what the authors of the Bible call the outer darkness
once again, we are in need of yet more exegesis on the how it has happened. The argument you need to be addressing is that there is no moral, no intellectual, no practical point to torturing billions of people in secret and then relying on the likes of you to tell people about it.
5a) As stated before: Hell is uncreated. It is actually a byproduct of circumstances. As one of the essayists that I quoted stated: we really do all go to the same place. It is merely that a part of it is the outer darkness, and this is the portion reserved for people who have decided to not seek communion with God and who have not repented of their sins. We can also break this down again...
once again, yes yes, we all know this
5b) If a man clearly has committed a crime and must go to jail, what actually sends him to jail? The judge, or the actions that put him before the judge? Who is responsible for him being in jail -- the criminal who committed the crime, or the judge?
how does this silly and inept analogy in any way explain the point of a supreme being deliberately keeping billions of people supernaturally alive in order to torture them for not believing in him? Indeed, as I asked KellyJay, what “crimes” have these people committed against a super-being of infinite love, mercy, power and control...that he feels it is logical to torture them for eternity?