What Else in Revelation 14 ?

Why are you capitalizing the word NORMAL

I only do that to emphasize it.
I would have to think about where the word "normal" is actually used.
Maybe it is not explicitly used.

But Peter says that if we practice these things we will never fail.

"And for this very reason also, adding all diligence, supply bountifully in your faith virtue;
and in virtue, knowledge;
And in knowledge, self control;
And in self-control, endurance;
and in endurance, godliness;
And in godliness, brotherly love;
and in brotherly love, {agape] love.

For there things, existing in you and abounding, constitute you neither idle nor unfruitful unto the full knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

For he in whom these things are not present is blind, being shortsighted, having forgotten the cleaning of his past sins.

Therefore, brothers, be the more diligent to make your calling and selection firm, for doing these things you shall by no means ever stumble.

For in this way the entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will be richly and bountifully supplied to you." (2 Pet. 5-11)

Be a normal overcoming believer with a rich entrance supplied to you for entering into the kingdom. Here is how you will never fail.

"And for this very reason also, adding all diligence, supply bountifully in your faith virtue;
and in virtue, knowledge;
And in knowledge, self control;
And in self-control, endurance;
and in endurance, godliness;
And in godliness, brotherly love;
and in brotherly love, {agape] love.

All these are really just Christ and Christ and Christ and Christ and Christ.

All these can be found in enjoying Christ.

I recommend also Watchman Nee's book Christ, the Sum of All Spiritual Things." (CFP) Published under a different name by LSM as

Christ is All Spiritual Matters and Things

Christ is All Spiritual Matters and Things

CONTENTS
Christ Is the Way, the Truth, and the Life
Christ Is the Resurrection and the Life
Christ Is the Bread of Life and the Light of Life
Christ Is God’s Matters and Things
Christ Only—Not Matters or Things

INTRODUCTION
IS IT CHRIST, OR IS IT SOMETHING ELSE?

The following five chapters are messages given by the Lord’s servant some time ago. Because of the present urgent need of all the saints everywhere for these kinds of messages, we have published them today.

According to God’s desire, plan, and redemption, He has ordained that His Son, our Lord Jesus Christ, be all spiritual matters and things. When a man touches Him, he touches the reality of all spiritual matters and things. After a man gains Him, he gains all spiritual matters and things that God has prepared for him. But man has replaced Him with many so-called spiritual things. Although these many things, in man’s eyes, belong to Him, they are nevertheless not Him. Rather, they are a replacement of Him. Therefore, they do not render man real help in his spiritual life.

We are facing a serious problem! What are we pursuing? What do we know, and what have we gained in the spiritual realm? Is it Christ, or is it something else? If it is Christ, we are touching the reality that God has ordained for us. If it is something else, no matter how good and valuable, we are merely touching vain and unprofitable things!

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@sonship said

"And for this very reason also, adding all diligence, supply bountifully in your faith virtue;
and in virtue, knowledge;
And in knowledge, self control;
And in self-control, endurance;
and in endurance, godliness;
And in godliness, brotherly love;
and in brotherly love, {agape] love.

All these are really just Christ and Christ and Christ and Christ a ...[text shortened]... and unprofitable things! [/quote]

copied from https://www.ministrybooks.org/books.cfm?id=11840F

OH.. I get it. The Gospel according to Witness Lee.
How to get eternal Life without OBEDIENCE to Christ
The Key is to be a NORMAL Christian
Just call Christ
Say "I Love Christ" all day long

I got ya.

LOL 😀

@sonship said
@Rajk999

What is a NORMAL CHRISTIAN.

A normal Christian life is an overcoming through His grace Christian life. Christ is enough for everyone who believes in Him to overcome in Him.

It is not above the standard. It is simply at the standard. It is abnormal that Christians would be defeated and backslidden. Christ IS and HAS enough grace that we may all overcome.

AHA ... the core of the mouth worshiping doctrine.
Overcoming through grace.
LOL 😀

Sadly you and those who are foolish to follow you, are going to be cast out. Jesus spoke clearly to the seven churches in Revelation and nowhere can your doctrine of righteousness through grace be found. Jesus was crystal clear about what overcomers needed to DO in order to get eternal life.... nothing remotely resembling what you are rambling on about.

Your doctrine is false and it is the road to damnation.

@Rajk999

And they overcame him ... through the word of their testimony ....

It matches Revelation 14:5 about the remnant of living raptured Firstfruits to God and the Lamb, IMO.

"And in their mouth no lie was found, they are without blemish." (14:5)

Would you like to be without blemish before God? You should start by confessing all known sins one by one and putting them under the blood of Jesus.

That's the place to start.

@sonship said
@Rajk999

And they overcame him ... through the word of their testimony ....

It matches Revelation 14:5 about the remnant of living raptured Firstfruits to God and the Lamb, IMO.

"And in their mouth no lie was found, they are without blemish." (14:5)

Would you like to be without blemish before God? You should start by confes ...[text shortened]... g all known sins one by one and putting them under the blood of Jesus.

That's the place to start.

Confessing sins is good, but it is pointless unless there is repentance. Repentance means that sins are not repeated. Jesus instructed those who he forgave, and those who he saved to Go and sin no more. Your version is sin all you want because you are saved. Your version leads to damnation. Jesus instructed keeping the commandments and becoming perfect while you are advocating that people be NORMAL Christians. You are Satan fooling people and drawing them to their damnation.

@Rajk999

Your version is sin all you want because you are saved.

Cut and paste from any of my posts where I taught sin all you want because you are saved.

@sonship said
@Rajk999

Your version is sin all you want because you are saved.

Cut and paste from any of my posts where I taught sin all you want because you are saved.

Cut and paste from any of your posts where you taught
Go and sin no more
Keep the commandments of Christ
Do good works
Live righteously

On the contrary you attempt to ridicule what Jesus said by advising Christians to be NORMAL, when Jesus advised Christians to be PERFECT and to be OBEDIENT to His commandments.

You are contrary to Christ and therefore Satanic.

And I saw, and behold the Lamb standing on Mount Zion ... (v1)

Attention is first on Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God, ever the centrality of the revelation. Behold ... the Son of God, the Redeemer standing in Heaven.

" ... and with Him a hundred and forty-four thousand, (v1b) "

First Christ. Yet though the work of redemption is solely His, He never was to stand alone. "with Him" those who stand with Him as for the will of His Father.

God always would be faithful that of human beings saved and redeemed a remnant would rise to the level of standard of being "with Him". This is what should be and this is normality.

This is not what is typical because of human hesitation, unbelief, and reluctance, slowness to follow. Even Abraham the father of faith was typical. But throughout history a remnant to be with the Son of God.

Not in his unique Godhead or work of redemption, But they follow the Lamb where ever He may go.

" and with Him one hundred and forty four thousand, having His name and the name of His Father written on their foreheads."

They belong to the Lamb, so His name is written on them.
They belong to His Father, also. The name written show ownership. It should be contrasted with what we previously read about the followers of the Antichrist.

The previous closing verses of chapter 13 read -

"And he [the False Prophet] causes all, the small and the great, and rich and the poor, and the freemen and the slaves,

to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead. And that no one may be able to buy or sell except him who has the mark, that is, the name of the beast [Antichrist] for it is the number of a man; and his number is six hundred sixty six. (Rev. 13:16-18)

As these are totally consecrated to Satan and have the name or mark of Antichrist upon their foreheads, So the next chapter has the remnant dedicated completely to possession by the Lamb and His Father.

@sonship said
The previous closing verses of chapter 13 read -

[quote] "And he [the False Prophet] causes all, the small and the great, and rich and the poor, and the freemen and the slaves,

to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead. And that no one may be able to buy or sell except him who has the mark, that is, the name of the beast [Antichrist] ...[text shortened]... , So the next chapter has the remnant dedicated completely to possession by the Lamb and His Father.

You must have that mark on you somewhere because your doctrine is completely contrary to Christ and Satanic.

There could be significance to the Lamb "standing". In heaven we are usually see Jesus sitting. When the first Christian martyr gave his life up for Jesus - Stephen, he saw Christ standing.

Christ stood up to honor and welcome the first martyr of the church who was stoned to death in Acts 7.

"And he said, Behold, I see the heavens opened up and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God. But they cried out with a loud voice and covered their ears and rushed upon him with one accord.

And they threw him outside of the city and stoned him. ..." (Acts 7:56-58a)

Christ STOOD to honor Stephen. In Revelation 14 perhaps the STANDING of the Son of God also indicates His honoring these raptured Firstfruits. They walked with Christ before the great tribulation. They "follow the Lamb wherever He may go" (v.4) .

They followed that Lamb in their spirits into heaven as Enoch also walked with God and was taken. In the viewpoint of God this should be normal.

The one hundred and forty four thousand bear the number of them as a multiple of 12. That is 12,000 times 12,000.

The number 12 in Scriptures is believed by many to signify perfection in eternity. Or the perfection of God's eternal administration.

The thousand fold perfection (144,000) must have to do with a greatness of their perfection in God's administration and His eternal purpose. It also, I think, serves to mean a remnant preserved. That is a more limited perfected remnant not of the majority of His people.

The fact again that they are "Firstfruits" at the beginning of the chapter followed by "Harvest" towards the end should mean that they simply go before in time.

@Rajk999

On the contrary you attempt to ridicule what Jesus said by advising Christians to be NORMAL, when Jesus advised Christians to be PERFECT and to be OBEDIENT to His commandments.

You are contrary to Christ and therefore Satanic.

There is no ridicule of Jesus in my posts.

What Jesus said about "You shall be perfect even as your heavenly Father is perfect" argues for what I am saying.

Because sons of the Father have the life of the Father, eventually they shall express only the Father. They are perfected from expressing fallen Adam and into expressing the Father's life put into them through salvation.

"You shall be perfect even as your heavenly Father is perfect" is not just an [edited] exhortation. It is a prophecy of sort like Romans 8;28,29

"Because those whom He foreknew, He also predestinated to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the Firstborn among many brothers."

On one hand the New Testament exhorts the believers to be conformed to the image of His Son via God's dynamic salvation. And on the other hand it predicts that this will eventually take place to ALL whom He has predestinated, called, and justified.

"Because those whom He predestinated,
these He also called; and those whom He called, these He also justified, and those whom He justified, these He also GLORIFIED." (v.29)

Surely the normal destination is GLORIFICATION. That is to be conformed to the image of His Son. That is that we shall be perfect even as our heavenly Father is perfect.

"Justification" comes in this list BEFORE "glorification".
"[T]hose whom He justified, these He also glorified"

And since it is to happen to ALL whom God has predestinated and called, it is normal in that sense.