Originally posted by galveston75I'm not so sure it is possible for you to be enlightened; moreover, though far from being an overly technical point I can't see a way of presenting it to you, directly, without a breakdown in comprehension at some point. But because I'm such a nice guy I'll try and approach it from another angle; to that end:
Inlighten me....
Why do you reject the existence of the tooth fairy?
Originally posted by AgergNo proof either spiritually or physically..
I'm not so sure it is possible for you to be enlightened; moreover, though far from being an overly technical point I can't see a way of presenting it to you, directly, without a breakdown in comprehension at some point. But because I'm such a nice guy I'll try and approach it from another angle; to that end:
Why do you reject the existence of the tooth fairy?
Originally posted by galveston75Well there's no 'spiritual' or physical proof of your god or that the stories you hold to be literally true in the Bible ever took place either. What is the crucial difference that an atheist should see between belief in the tooth fairy, and belief in *your particular* god?
No proof either spiritually or physically..
Originally posted by AgergTons my friend and the fact that you have life is proof of a God even if you don't want him to exist and have too much pride, ignorance or selfishness and impatience to see he does live.
Well there's no 'spiritual' or physical proof of your god or that the stories you hold to be literally true in the Bible ever took place either. What is the crucial difference that an atheist should see between belief in the tooth fairy, and belief in *your particular* god?
The spiritualness that you don't comprehend is because you have either let yourself be blind to that or you have flat out decided to turn your back on the obvious and minumize the complexaties in all the universe.
You think you know better then us who know and see that there is a God plain as the as the sun that shines on us all, and you obviously look down your nose at us thinking were caught up in some fairly land ideas.
It's you my friend that has narrowed your vision of understanding what is around you and the benifits of having spiritual insight.
Satan is real too and guess what? He's got you right where he wants you.....
Originally posted by galveston75Just to continue humouring you, exactly how much of this "spiritual proof" doesn't require faith? I mean...I could assert I have spiritual proof that the tooth fairy exists and all you need is the same faith as I. Of course you wouldn't find that particularly compelling and I wouldn't blame you. So again...
Tons my friend and the fact that you have life is proof of a God even if you don't want him to exist and have too much pride, ignorance or selfishness and impatience to see he does live.
The spiritualness that you don't comprehend is because you have either let yourself be blind to that or you have flat out decided to turn your back on the obvious and tual insight.
Satan is real too and guess what? He's got you right where he wants you.....
What spiritual proof of *your god*'s existence, and that *your literalist* interpretation of the Bible is true do you have that does not require faith?
What do you have, in a tangible sense, that makes your position of belief, and rejection of the tooth fairy any less "just an opinion" than my rejection of your belief?
Originally posted by AgergYour not humoring me at all. If anything I feel sorry for you.
Just to continue humouring you, exactly how much of this "spiritual proof" doesn't require faith? I mean...I could assert I have spiritual proof that the tooth fairy exists and all you need is the same faith as I. Of course you wouldn't find that particularly compelling and I wouldn't blame you. So again...
What spiritual proof of *your god*'s existence, ...[text shortened]... your position of belief any less [b]just an opinion than my rejection of your belief?[/b]
I understand why many feel there is no God because of what some religions do in the name of God but it still amazes me that ones can turn off that spiritual side in them and it is something we all have and want deep inside even if you don't think it's there.
Originally posted by galveston75That's not an answer to my question; though I think we both know full well you have nothing that does not rely on faith. - and that to me is as worthless as the promise that a tooth under a pillow will become a coin tomorrow.
Your not humoring me at all. If anything I feel sorry for you.
I understand why many feel there is no God because of what some religions do in the name of God but it still amazes me that ones can turn off that spiritual side in them and it is something we all have and want deep inside even if you don't think it's there.
That I live is no more proof of your god than it is proof of Thor, or the flying Spaghetti monster, or Vishvahetu's god, or whatever else humans have invented to fulfill some `spiritual vacuum'. Indeed, with respect to your faith or your religion, all it is proof of is that I'm alive - nothing more.
Tautological yes, but then I don\'t advance the crazy idea that my life is proof of anything on these matters; that was your idea! it is you that makes the mistake of thinking it proves JW God!
Originally posted by AgergYou are really lost aren't you? Again I feel sorry for you and ones like you. No hope for the future but just death I guess. Really a dark way to live.....
That's not an answer to my question; though I think we both know full well you have nothing that does not rely on faith. - and that to me is as worthless as the promise that a tooth under a pillow will become a coin tomorrow.
That I live is no more proof of your god than it is proof of Thor, or the flying Spaghetti monster, or Vishvahetu's god, or whatever ...[text shortened]... hat was your idea! it is you that makes the mistake of thinking it proves JW God![/hidden]
Originally posted by galveston75The sympathy should by rights extend to yourself instead. It is you who lives in fear of some comic book villain named Satan; and it is you who deprives himself of the ability to live life to the full in fear of p!ssing off some magic man in the sky ;]
You are really lost aren't you? Again I feel sorry for you and ones like you. No hope for the future but just death I guess. Really a dark way to live.....
Originally posted by AgergThe one thing you are completely missing my friend is love. The love that I have for my God and the love he has for all humans. Even you.
The sympathy should by rights extend to yourself instead. It is you who lives in fear of some comic book villain named Satan; and it is you who deprives himself of the ability to live life to the full in fear of p!ssing off some magic man in the sky ;]
So I live in no fear of my God. That could be the reason your purception of him is a fearful one. Thats because you don't know him at all.