The love of God

Originally posted by @fmf
But according to what you have said, Jesus has clearly changed his mind about what the appropriate punishment is for homosexuality and being a rebellious child.

Clearly you are wrong in your clear conclusion.

Originally posted by @eladar
Clearly you are wrong in your clear conclusion.

It's based on what you said. You claim Jesus thought the appropriate punishment is for homosexuality and being a rebellious child is death and ordered it so, and now he no longer thinks the appropriate punishment is for homosexuality and being a rebellious child is death and no longer orders it so. He has, according to your own posts, clearly changed his mind about this matter.

Originally posted by @fmf
It's based on what you said. You claim Jesus thought the appropriate punishment is for homosexuality and being a rebellious child is death and ordered it so, and now he no longer thinks the appropriate punishment is for homosexuality and being a rebellious child is death and no longer orders it so. He has, according to your own posts, clearly changed his mind about this matter.

It is based on what I said, but also basef on faulty assumptios or faulty logic.

I will not even try to vlear up questions based on your assumptions.

FMF: So you believe Jesus changed his mind about what constituted the morally sound punishment for "rebellious children"?

Originally posted by @eladar
No

Here is your answer of "no". There is no 'faulty logic' in me reading the word "no" and understanding your answer to be "no".

Originally posted by @fmf
Here is your answer of "no". There is no 'faulty logic' in me reading the word "no" and understanding your answer to be "no".

Exactly, I said no.

Originally posted by @eladar
Exactly, I said no.

It was the morally sound punishment and then it was not the morally sound punishment. Assuming this it is based on the dictates of a supernatural being, as you would have me believe, that's a change of mind. There used to be a death penalty in the UK for various offences, and this was thought by most to be morally sound; nowadays there is no death penalty as it is thought to be morally unsound. That was a change of mind on the part of the government (and society) too.

Originally posted by @divegeester
When you say "we" who are you referring to?

Humans, who else could I possibly be referring to?

Originally posted by @eladar
If God's love is what most would call love why did He instruct the Israelites to wipe out helpless babies?

I am guessing it was to preserve His chosen nation which was to produce the messiah. If the evil nations surrounding the children of Israel were not totally wiped out they may have wiped out the children of Israel and there would be no messiah. So I think God had to take drastic measures to preserve the messiah.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
I am guessing it was to preserve His chosen nation which was to produce the messiah. If the evil nations surrounding the children of Israel were not totally wiped out they may have wiped out the children of Israel and there would be no messiah. So I think God had to take drastic measures to preserve the messiah.

You gotta admit, it was loving from most people's point of view.

Originally posted by @fmf
It's odd how Suzianne seems to almost always choose to 'play the man' rather than 'the ball' that the discussion is about.

You should feel justified in that I consider your behavior in this forum to be far more of an issue than the ridiculous and trivial "questions" you continually pose to try to "trap" Christians. The "discussion" is rarely that. it's usually a thin disguise to cover or deflect from your character attacks.

Would you actually call your "he said, she said" back-and-forth with Eladar to be a real discussion? Please.

Originally posted by @suzianne
Would you actually call your "he said, she said" back-and-forth with Eladar to be a real discussion? Please.

Well, if you don't like my contributions to debates on this forum, so be it. I will ask you a similar question. Do you think calling Eladar a "bigot" over and over again - and constantly denouncing him - while scarcely ever addressing anything he says to be a real discussion?

Originally posted by @eladar
Doesn't really fit with what most call love.

Why did Jesus order homosexuals and rebellious children to be executed?

Maybe it was the same reason you want the entire nation of Iran "wiped from the earth"?

Originally posted by @eladar
Doesn't really fit with what most call love.

Why did Jesus order homosexuals and rebellious children to be executed?

He didn't.

Why are you?

Originally posted by @suzianne
Take it easy, Sigmund. He means the generic "we". As in "humans". Obviously.

I don't associate myself with generic humans (whatever that is), not do I associate myself with the generic Christian poster in this forum. S I'm asking Fetchmyjunk who he is refereeing to. It seems to me that he is using "we" as a sort of lazy rhetorical wheel-spin™ device.

Originally posted by @divegeester
It seems to me that he is using "we" as a sort of lazy rhetorical wheel-spin™ device.

rhetorical wheelspin™

I will allow free use of the term - which, as you know, I minted - under the principles of Fair Use.

I also claim Originator Status for the "rhetorical wheel-spin™" spelling variant even though it is you who used it first.