24 Apr 11
Originally posted by galveston75Why then did the angel identify himself as the God of Abraham, Issac,
This was simply an angel which means "messenger". No mention or proof that is was Jesus at all.
and Jacob? Do you believe the angel was lying to Moses then? It could
not be the Father for no man has ever seen the Father. The Holy Spirit
did appear in the form of a dove at Jesus's baptism. But according to
you He is not a person, only and "active force". So we don't need to
consider Him. The only other Person that is identified in the Holy Bible
as God is the Son. So it must be the Son. And this God is saving Israel,
which is what God the Father sent Jesus to do as savior of the world.
There is no other savior than Him as the Holy Bible says.
24 Apr 11
Originally posted by RJHindsWell the Bible says it was an angel and there are millions and millions of them so to say it was Jesus is saying something the Bible isn't.
Why then did the angel identify himself as the God of Abraham, Issac,
and Jacob? Do you believe the angel was lying to Moses then? It could
not be the Father for no man has ever seen the Father. The Holy Spirit
did appear in the form of a dove at Jesus's baptism. But according to
you He is not a person, only and "active force". So we don't need to
c ...[text shortened]... sus to do as savior of the world.
There is no other savior than Him as the Holy Bible says.
25 Apr 11
Originally posted by galveston75Ask a leader in the Jehovah's Witnesses, who they believe this angel
Well the Bible says it was an angel and there are millions and millions of them so to say it was Jesus is saying something the Bible isn't.
that spoke to Moses from the bush is and if they can find out the official
position of the Jehovah's Witnesses organization is on who they believe
He is. And please get back to me and let me know what they say to you.
I am curious to know. Thank you.
25 Apr 11
Originally posted by RJHindsI don't have to ask as I know their stand....
Ask a leader in the Jehovah's Witnesses, who they believe this angel
that spoke to Moses from the bush is and if they can find out the official
position of the Jehovah's Witnesses organization is on who they believe
He is. And please get back to me and let me know what they say to you.
I am curious to know. Thank you.
25 Apr 11
Originally posted by RJHindsNo, no, no, no, no.
Why then did the angel identify himself as the God of Abraham, Issac,
and Jacob? Do you believe the angel was lying to Moses then? It could
not be the Father for no man has ever seen the Father. The Holy Spirit
did appear in the form of a dove at Jesus's baptism. But according to
you He is not a person, only and "active force". So we don't need to
c ...[text shortened]... sus to do as savior of the world.
There is no other savior than Him as the Holy Bible says.
The angel of the Lord appeared to Moses in the flame of the burning bush.
"And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush [was] not consumed." -- Exodus 3:2
Apparently, this was because "And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live." -- Exodus 33:20
And then:
"And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here [am] I." -- Exodus 3:4
And later:
"Moreover he said, I [am] the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God. And the LORD said, I have surely seen the affliction of my people which [are] in Egypt, and have heard their cry by reason of their taskmasters; for I know their sorrows;" -- Exodus 3:6-7
GOD called out to him from the bush. Moses SAW the angel of the Lord, but he SPOKE with God, not the angel. And yes, it was God the Father, "the God of Abraham".
25 Apr 11
Originally posted by SuzianneLol..frustrating isn't it?
No, no, no, no, no.
The angel of the Lord appeared to Moses in the flame of the burning bush.
"And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush [was] not consumed." -- Exodus 3:2
Apparently, this was because "And he said, Thou canst not ...[text shortened]... SPOKE with God, not the angel. And yes, it was God the Father, "the God of Abraham".
25 Apr 11
33:20Originally posted by SuzianneWhy do you jump from Exodus 3:2 to Exodus 33:20 then back to
No, no, no, no, no.
The angel of the Lord appeared to Moses in the flame of the burning bush.
"And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush [was] not consumed." -- Exodus 3:2
Apparently, this was because "And he said, Thou cans ...[text shortened]... SPOKE with God, not the angel. And yes, it was God the Father, "the God of Abraham".
Exodus 3:4? If you really want to understand what is taking place
here you have to read it in order. Don't jump 30 chapters forward,
then jump back again.
What is happening here is that the Son of God, the 2nd person of the triune God,
is getting Moses' attention by appearing in the form of the angel in a fire in the
middle of a bush. Moses does not know this angel is God until He speaks from
the middle of the bush and tells Moses that He is the God of his fathers. At this
it says Moses hid his face because he was afraid to look at God. Then keep on reading to get the rest of the story. I once thought the same way you do now.
But I know the truth now because the Holy Spirit has revealed it to me. And I am
sure you would not think I would believe you over the Holy Spirit, would you?
So If you want to continue believing the way you do, that's fine with me.
25 Apr 11
Originally posted by RJHinds2 Corinthians 11:14 (New Living Translation)
Why do you jump from Exodus 3:2 to Exodus 33:20 then back to
Exodus 3:4? If you really want to understand what is taking place
here you have to read it in order. Don't jump 30 chapters forward,
then jump back again.
What is happening here is that the Son of God, the 2nd person of the triune God,
is getting Moses' attention by appearing in the form ...[text shortened]... Spirit, would you?
So If you want to continue believing the way you do, that's fine with me.
14 But I am not surprised! Even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.
Just a thought........
25 Apr 11
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Originally posted by RJHindsWhat I don't get is why you think this is God the Son.
Why do you jump from Exodus 3:2 to Exodus 33:20 then back to
Exodus 3:4? If you really want to understand what is taking place
here you have to read it in order. Don't jump 30 chapters forward,
then jump back again.
What is happening here is that the Son of God, the 2nd person of the triune God,
is getting Moses' attention by appearing in the form ...[text shortened]... Spirit, would you?
So If you want to continue believing the way you do, that's fine with me.
Nothing in the Scripture even gives this appearance.
It was God the Father, like He SAID He was.
25 Apr 11
Originally posted by galveston752 Corinthians 11:14 (New Living Translation)
2 Corinthians 11:14 (New Living Translation)
14 But I am not surprised! Even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.
Just a thought........
14 But I am not surprised! Even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.
Just a thought........